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Not doubting they're cutthroat enough (Jeffrey Epstein says "Hi!"), but wouldn't it be too obvious at this juncture to risk outright assassinating him?

It'll happen eventually, I'm sure. However, unless this crop of Establishment plutocrats is particularly stupid, my understanding from our previous discussions is that we still need a few more decades to reach that point.
Getting a leader assassinated is a prime sign your movement is winning. It's also why you need to make sure there are multiple threats to the status quo, not just one.

Trump did quite a bit more than just court picks. Though those are hugely important. I can't imagine how screwed we would be now if the court went leftist.

Just the amount of regulations and stuff he cut were incredible and he gave us the best economy in my lifetime.

Plus all the peace talks and stuff. We would have been pretty much out of the mid east if the military leaders weren't ACTIVELY lying and undermining him every step of the way.

He did alright with the situation he had. Frankly it's amazing how good he did all things considered.

Do I wish he had done more? Absolutely. And he did stuff I don't care for. But he had everything going against him. His own party was stabbing him in the back every chance they got and the deep state pulled out all the stops trying to end him.

Can you even imagine how screwed the Biden presidency would be if the agencies and media acted like they did for Trump? He would have been impeached the first month.

Trump's big mistake was that he thought the Republicans had his back and trusted their advice. That's over now. If he becomes president again he's not going to trust them at all and just put his people in instead of going with establishment picks. And he would take a chainsaw to the various agencies. Whatever faith he had in whatever institutions is gone now. Time to tear down and rebuild.
I'm not saying he didn't do good. I'm saying he had a ton of opportunity to drain the swamp, and he decided not to. He won't a second time either. All the other stuff is less important IMO, as it's building a house on shoddy foundations.
 
I'm not saying he didn't do good. I'm saying he had a ton of opportunity to drain the swamp, and he decided not to. He won't a second time either. All the other stuff is less important IMO, as it's building a house on shoddy foundations.

And, in return, we say he tried. Genuinely tried, and failed, because he made a few fundimental mistakes in trusting the wrong person.

And, his ability to really drain said swamp is questionable. But, he has the highest chance to do so. Nobody else comes close.
 
And, in return, we say he tried. Genuinely tried, and failed, because he made a few fundimental mistakes in trusting the wrong person.

And, his ability to really drain said swamp is questionable. But, he has the highest chance to do so. Nobody else comes close.
No, that's the thing. He didn't try. He didn't try to release the Epstein docs. He didn't try to fire a large number of people. He didn't try to pardon Snowden or not prosecute Assange. He sat on top of the swamp, doing nothing to drain it. And I could go on.

He has zero chance of draining the swamp, because he demonstrably didn't want to. He's not of the swamp (they hate him), but somehow it didn't cross his mind to attack them in any way that actually mattered.
 
Trump is far -- incredibly far -- from ideal. But yes, as @Simonbob says: he's the best (or, if you will, "least bad") candidate the populists have. I don't see anyone else doing better. I figured DeSantis might become a viable heir to that position, but he opted to run now, against Trump, and... honestly, it's not been very impressive. Ramaswamy is actually far better at it, although I think he's basically unelectable. And who else is there, precisely?

And I say again: I don't even like Trump. He's not my kind of guy. But he's not their kind of guy, and that is important. Frankly, their rabid persecution only proves that he has intrinsic value to the populist movement. He drives them mad, he makes them show their true faces. This derangement of theirs -- Trump Derangement Syndrome -- is perhaps more powerful than any policy could be.



Regarding the willingness of the establishment to cross any line:

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That's the certain, no-doubt-about-it winner of the 2002 Dutch elections, nine days before the elections.

It was a lone gunman that did it, of course. A mentally ill eco-activist.

A mentally ill eco-activist who got early release after a few years, was then given plastic surgery to change his appearance on the government's bill, and for some reason just received an expensive villa at an undisclosed location (all of which was later leaked a few years ago... and then very thoroughly buried in a bottom drawer somewhere, never to be investigated further). But this was absolutely not a reward for doing the establishment's dirty work! No, sir!
 
If we're still talking Trump?

Two of the early things he does in office?


"Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Appointees"

Signed: Jan. 28, 2017

This order stops all executive branch officials from lobbying for five years after they leave office and places a lifetime ban on lobbying a foreign government.

The order enacts a number of other lobbying restrictions, including banning appointees from accepting gifts from registered lobbyists and banning appointees who were lobbyists from participating in any issues they petitioned for within the last two years.

Some raised concerns over how Trump will fill the jobs in his administration under the new rules.

"Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"

Signed: Jan. 30, 2017

The order states that executive departments and agencies must slash two regulations for every one new regulation proposed. Regulation spending cannot exceed $0, and any costs associated with regulations must be offset with eliminations.

The order also directs the head of each agency to keep records of the cost savings, to be sent to the president.


Also.

On January 23, 2017, President Donald Trump signed a presidential memorandum implementing a hiring freeze for all new and existing positions except those in national security, public safety, and the military.0 The freeze lasted 79 days, with the Office of Management and Budget issuing guidance to end it 11 days before the president's initial deadline. However, the freeze was lifted on April 12, 2017, and agencies were allowed to resume hiring without restriction or approval from the Office of Personnel Management.








Two of his better Executive Orders, and the hiring freeze.



Like I said. He did try. He also failed.
 
If we're still talking Trump?

Two of the early things he does in office?


"Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Appointees"

Signed: Jan. 28, 2017

This order stops all executive branch officials from lobbying for five years after they leave office and places a lifetime ban on lobbying a foreign government.

The order enacts a number of other lobbying restrictions, including banning appointees from accepting gifts from registered lobbyists and banning appointees who were lobbyists from participating in any issues they petitioned for within the last two years.

Some raised concerns over how Trump will fill the jobs in his administration under the new rules.

"Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"

Signed: Jan. 30, 2017

The order states that executive departments and agencies must slash two regulations for every one new regulation proposed. Regulation spending cannot exceed $0, and any costs associated with regulations must be offset with eliminations.

The order also directs the head of each agency to keep records of the cost savings, to be sent to the president.


Also.

On January 23, 2017, President Donald Trump signed a presidential memorandum implementing a hiring freeze for all new and existing positions except those in national security, public safety, and the military.0 The freeze lasted 79 days, with the Office of Management and Budget issuing guidance to end it 11 days before the president's initial deadline. However, the freeze was lifted on April 12, 2017, and agencies were allowed to resume hiring without restriction or approval from the Office of Personnel Management.








Two of his better Executive Orders, and the hiring freeze.



Like I said. He did try. He also failed.
None of that did anything (EDIT: to the swamp, the regulations went down, but the swamp people were still there). He didn't try. He changed the window decor. Only one of those was actually anti swamp. The other was just anti regulation. And the anti-swamp one didn't drain the swamp at all, all it did was slow its expansion. No, Trump didn't try to drain the swamp at all.
 
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Trump is far -- incredibly far -- from ideal. But yes, as @Simonbob says: he's the best (or, if you will, "least bad") candidate the populists have.
Is he?
We know from experience that as much as the swamp hates him, he did nothing against them.

There are several other candidates though. Desantis in particular has a history of actual victories.
 
Desantis in particular has a history of actual victories.

As Governor, yes. And as I said: I think he could have become -- might still become -- a successor to Trump as the leader of this populist movement. But as his campaign shows... he might not be entirely ready for it at present.

Look at how it's going:

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DeSantis reached his zenith when Trump was at his nadir. And even then, Trump was 13 points ahead. Since then, Trump's been gaining in popularity, while DeSantis has nosedived in the polls. I'm not ruling out some majestic recovery -- one can never rule that out completely -- but if the current trend is indicative, then DeSantis is just sinking into the pack of low-tier candidates, and Trump remains consistently above them. By a lot.
 
As Governor, yes. And as I said: I think he could have become -- might still become -- a successor to Trump as the leader of this populist movement. But as his campaign shows... he might not be entirely ready for it at present.

Look at how it's going:

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DeSantis reached his zenith when Trump was at his nadir. And even then, Trump was 13 points ahead. Since then, Trump's been gaining in popularity, while DeSantis has nosedived in the polls. I'm not ruling out some majestic recovery -- one can never rule that out completely -- but if the current trend is indicative, then DeSantis is just sinking into the pack of low-tier candidates, and Trump remains consistently above them. By a lot.
Thing is. we have a primary.
I will vote for trump, vivek, desantis in the election... whomever of them wins the primary.
I just disagree with saying trump is the only one we have
 
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And I say again: I don't even like Trump. He's not my kind of guy. But he's not their kind of guy, and that is important. Frankly, their rabid persecution only proves that he has intrinsic value to the populist movement. He drives them mad, he makes them show their true faces. This derangement of theirs -- Trump Derangement Syndrome -- is perhaps more powerful than any policy could be.

I don't understand how people can still say with a straight face that TDS is good for the Right, considering how much the mass mobilization of the Deep State and soccer moms it allowed has benefited the Left and already beat Trump once. You think the permawar CIA types are naturally allied with the Death to America university types just because you hate them both and think both harm America? The Right loves pointing out the Left is a self-contradictory mess of natural enemies with no consistent principles beyond will to power and will inevitably destroy themselves as will to power does not abide competition. Well, they aren't destroying themselves and won't, thanks to TDS.

All TDS has done for the Right is the self-satisfaction of right wingers circle jerking. Or maybe pushing Civil War closer if you're an accelerationist, except Florida shows it's possible to actually purge the Left from a State that's historically been America writ small demographically and politically. TDS has been great for Trump among hard right primary voters too, though I repeat myself about circle jerking. You can track his indictments just from how his poll numbers climb, and if you don't think those indictments are carefully and intentionally timed . . .
 

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