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A big part of the problem with IP laws and drugs is the interplay between R&D, when you need to file for Patents, when Patent timers start ticking, and the FDA drug approval process.

The entire set up needs revising but it needs to be holistic in approach, and not just "shorten patent times" or anything.

Consider: when does a patent start to tick? For most things it starts from the time of filing the patent. This makes a sense; however, for drugs this leads to a problem, you see, you have to have your patent filed BEFORE you can file for FDA approval for distribution of your new drug. Meanwhile, the FDA approval process can take up to a DECADE for various testing and approvals before the drug can go to market.

So if you set your patent length as a decade or something less than it or even just slightly short of it... well look at that, the company that spent the money on R&D has already lost the patent by the time they can bring the drug to market and is now undercut on cost by a generic drug company.

Remember the core purpose of a patent is to allow the inventor of something to recoup and profit off the time spent researching and developing a product. If you set up your system where they cannot do that, that will stall out R&D in those areas.

The obvious compromise is for patent timers to only start ticking once the drug is approved for distribution by the FDA. The problem with that is that this means that the newest and most effective drugs developed may well be very expensive for a decade before generic drugmakers can come in and lower the price, as the original company has to price their drugs at a price point that covers both the manufacture of the drug now but ALSO to cover the expense of R&D and approval of the drug.

If a company ends up creating a cure for cancer that's going to be tricky with the patent laws , On one hand they can charge insane prices for it due to how the laws work on the other the suits will be at genuine risk of being lynched if they get too greedy. I think that is one of the only events though that could see this clusterfuck of a system get revised.
 

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Might have a point there, if I'm being honest. 😕
 

Flintsteel

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A big part of the problem with IP laws and drugs is the interplay between R&D, when you need to file for Patents, when Patent timers start ticking, and the FDA drug approval process.

The entire set up needs revising but it needs to be holistic in approach, and not just "shorten patent times" or anything.

Consider: when does a patent start to tick? For most things it starts from the time of filing the patent. This makes a sense; however, for drugs this leads to a problem, you see, you have to have your patent filed BEFORE you can file for FDA approval for distribution of your new drug. Meanwhile, the FDA approval process can take up to a DECADE for various testing and approvals before the drug can go to market.

So if you set your patent length as a decade or something less than it or even just slightly short of it... well look at that, the company that spent the money on R&D has already lost the patent by the time they can bring the drug to market and is now undercut on cost by a generic drug company.

Remember the core purpose of a patent is to allow the inventor of something to recoup and profit off the time spent researching and developing a product. If you set up your system where they cannot do that, that will stall out R&D in those areas.

The obvious compromise is for patent timers to only start ticking once the drug is approved for distribution by the FDA. The problem with that is that this means that the newest and most effective drugs developed may well be very expensive for a decade before generic drugmakers can come in and lower the price, as the original company has to price their drugs at a price point that covers both the manufacture of the drug now but ALSO to cover the expense of R&D and approval of the drug.
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This is already the case. Drugs have their own sub-set of patent provisions. The lock-out period does not start until FDA approval.
 

Aldarion

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If a company ends up creating a cure for cancer that's going to be tricky with the patent laws , On one hand they can charge insane prices for it due to how the laws work on the other the suits will be at genuine risk of being lynched if they get too greedy. I think that is one of the only events though that could see this clusterfuck of a system get revised.
Why would any company create a cure for cancer when they can just keep patients permanently on drugs (chemo)?
 

mrttao

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Because Rich people get cancer too.
They seem to assume that they won't get affected.
They have been fucking over the entire medical industry for so many years, and the rotten foundation has trickled up. but they do not care.
It is baffling.

I am reminded of how fidel castro went all in on healthcare.
Basically anyone in the country who wanted to study biology was guarenteed a govt job as a medical researcher
To the point where cuba is now a biotech juggernaut that even the USA is making overtures towards.
 

Cherico

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They seem to assume that they won't get affected.
They have been fucking over the entire medical industry for so many years, and the rotten foundation has trickled up. but they do not care.
It is baffling.

I am reminded of how fidel castro went all in on healthcare.
Basically anyone in the country who wanted to study biology was guarenteed a govt job as a medical researcher
To the point where cuba is now a biotech juggernaut that even the USA is making overtures towards.

Honestly this is happening to pretty much every insitution in the west.

the current ruling class has ossified and grown cultish and increasingly stupid and openly corrupt. This has happened numerous times in history right now were in the time frame where the current elite is purging anyone who remotely disagrees with them out of power and placing their allies in positions of power.

The problem with this is that it greatly increases corruption and incompetence and it sends a lot of your most talented people into the arms of the opasistion. If there isn't an oposition it will be created organically because of such actions, if the opasition is pathatic and owned it stops being such as old adherents are purged.

You will see pretty much every insitution of note corrupted and made into something ugly, the elite will grow ever more slow stupid and pointlessly vindictive and then one day it will all pretty much collapse.

Like I said this has happened numerous times in the past, you had the french revolution you had the heihan period of Japan and numberous other examples.
 

Wargamer08

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Honestly this is happening to pretty much every insitution in the west.

the current ruling class has ossified and grown cultish and increasingly stupid and openly corrupt. This has happened numerous times in history right now were in the time frame where the current elite is purging anyone who remotely disagrees with them out of power and placing their allies in positions of power.

The problem with this is that it greatly increases corruption and incompetence and it sends a lot of your most talented people into the arms of the opasistion. If there isn't an oposition it will be created organically because of such actions, if the opasition is pathatic and owned it stops being such as old adherents are purged.

You will see pretty much every insitution of note corrupted and made into something ugly, the elite will grow ever more slow stupid and pointlessly vindictive and then one day it will all pretty much collapse.

Like I said this has happened numerous times in the past, you had the french revolution you had the heihan period of Japan and numberous other examples.
I've never disagreed with your statements about history rhyming, just when you start putting down a timeline.

And your statement that jews won't be targeted. As the singing scholar Borat taught us. If you have problem, throw the jew down the well so our people may be free. /s
 

Cherico

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I've never disagreed with your statements about history rhyming, just when you start putting down a timeline.

And your statement that jews won't be targeted. As the singing scholar Borat taught us. If you have problem, throw the jew down the well so our people may be free. /s

Im pretty bullish about our chances of not being targeted for mass murder next purge just because you have a very loud, obnoxious and very visable minority group that cant reproduce in the current transgender community. I mean their pretty much the perfect scape goats, and they don't have the acrued knowlege of hundreds of years of being a minority group to fall back on like we do.

So the moment shit gets real and you want some one to blame all your problems on their pretty much fucked. I mean I am most likely going to have to pay a jew tax when this all plays out but I feel pretty good about my communites chances of not going through holocost 2 electric boogaloo.
 

mrttao

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Im pretty bullish about our chances of not being targeted for mass murder next purge just because you have a very loud, obnoxious and very visable minority group that cant reproduce in the current transgender community. I mean their pretty much the perfect scape goats, and they don't have the acrued knowlege of hundreds of years of being a minority group to fall back on like we do.

So the moment shit gets real and you want some one to blame all your problems on their pretty much fucked. I mean I am most likely going to have to pay a jew tax when this all plays out but I feel pretty good about my communites chances of not going through holocost 2 electric boogaloo.
The issue is that there are far far far too many jews in positions of power who keep on screaming antisemitism any time someone tries to point out their criminal behavior.
 

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NASA denies that anything went wrong at all during her stay up there.
NASA Dude 1: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK THIS IS ALL GOING TERRIBLY WRONG AND WHEN WE REPORT THIS THE WORLD WILL BE LAUGHING AT US!
NASA Dude 2: It never happened.
1: What do you mean? Of course it did, there's pictures of the damned hole!
2: The Russians did it.
1: The Russians? Drilled a hole in their own spacecraft?
2: Yup, and remind me, who's the only people who can debunk what happens on the ISS?
1: Well, NASA, of course!
2: Exactly.
Tl;Dr: NASA has investigated itself and has found no wrongdoing.
 

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