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Skitzyfrenic
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Beauty and the Beast, the movie, is really interesting. Because it's super easy to make Gaston the Hero everyone in universe expected him to be. Also he's got great points here.
I mean, Belle isn't reading the Bible, or a book on Natural Sciences. She reads fairy tales. And she gets so sucked up into the story that it's actively a detriment to the community. How much damage happens to other people's livelyhoods just as she meander's down the street, ignoring everything, and they all swerve as to not injure the bougie, ignorant, rich girl? Like if I were the Sherrif/Town Guard, I would have arrested Belle if only on the off chance it'd pull her head out of the clouds.
Eating a lot of eggs is a sign of wealth. Gaston is in the upper class. His socio-economic choice for a wife would be Belle. And he's realistically Belle's only choice in town for someone in her same socio-economic bracket. Of course, weaned on fairy tales, she expects the magical princess treatment. Which she rather blatantly manipulates Beast into giving her. It's Beast's true love, and feeling like Belle loves him that breaks the curse. Not Belle loving Beast. But it's basically a penny princess situation. Belle is the daughter of a semi-rich merchant who hitches her train to the nobility because she wants to be a lady and ultra-rich with servants, oh bonus points for him being touch starved, ugly, and easy to emotionally manipulate.
When furries literally kidnap old men and young women, that's 120% the correct response. It's not like Gaston went to a furrycon and started throwing hands.
Like all it takes is a small tweak to some tonal things and Gaston rockets from 'Sort of a Villain' to bonafide hero. Everything he does is pretty reasonable, even locking up Belle's father, because you know. What do you do when there's an old man babbling about monsters in the mountains? You send them to an asylum.
I mean, Belle isn't reading the Bible, or a book on Natural Sciences. She reads fairy tales. And she gets so sucked up into the story that it's actively a detriment to the community. How much damage happens to other people's livelyhoods just as she meander's down the street, ignoring everything, and they all swerve as to not injure the bougie, ignorant, rich girl? Like if I were the Sherrif/Town Guard, I would have arrested Belle if only on the off chance it'd pull her head out of the clouds.
Eating a lot of eggs is a sign of wealth. Gaston is in the upper class. His socio-economic choice for a wife would be Belle. And he's realistically Belle's only choice in town for someone in her same socio-economic bracket. Of course, weaned on fairy tales, she expects the magical princess treatment. Which she rather blatantly manipulates Beast into giving her. It's Beast's true love, and feeling like Belle loves him that breaks the curse. Not Belle loving Beast. But it's basically a penny princess situation. Belle is the daughter of a semi-rich merchant who hitches her train to the nobility because she wants to be a lady and ultra-rich with servants, oh bonus points for him being touch starved, ugly, and easy to emotionally manipulate.
When furries literally kidnap old men and young women, that's 120% the correct response. It's not like Gaston went to a furrycon and started throwing hands.
Like all it takes is a small tweak to some tonal things and Gaston rockets from 'Sort of a Villain' to bonafide hero. Everything he does is pretty reasonable, even locking up Belle's father, because you know. What do you do when there's an old man babbling about monsters in the mountains? You send them to an asylum.
Well, we all know what those snipers' most important shortfall was there...
DarthOne
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LordsFire
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The things that a lot of these attempts to rewrite the narrative miss:
1. Rule of funny. Belle's oblivious wander through town caused damage because it's a cartoon, and Rule of Funny. That isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
2. The crux of the story, which is supposed to be taken seriously, is in how the two different interested men, Beast vs Gaston, actually treat Belle. Belle willingly lets herself be held captive by Beast in exchange for her father's freedom, but then he willingly lets her go. Belle is not interested in Gaston, and he has no authority to hold her captive, but he imprisons her anyways, and tries to kill his rival for her affections to further force the issue.
3. Beast, while a miserable cur at the start of the story, does not go out and aggress against others. He sulks in his castle, and if he is left alone, he leaves others alone. Gaston and the townsfolk, however, come out to try to kill him unprovoked. Even if they weren't going to take Belle at her word that he's not actually dangerous (anymore anyways), the reasonable thing to do would have been to send a party to the gates of his castle to have a chat. At that point in the story, he would have responded reasonably and basically just said 'No, if Belle's okay and doesn't want to come back, I'll leave her be. If you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.'
The real problem of the story, is how it can so easily encourage the 'good girl redeems bad boy' fantasy.' Beast, in the story, does have a change of heart, as evidenced by his willingness to 'let the one he loves go,' but that is not how that story usually plays out IRL. In real life, when some girl sees a 'bad boy' and thinks she can either change him, or she'll be so special to him that he'll treat her well, is that she ends up being abused, and sometimes trapping herself in the relationship.
In some cultures and legal systems, particularly the muslim world, women can get permanently trapped in an abusive relationship with just about no recourse whatsoever.
TL;DR While it's reasonable to say it'd only require changing a few key details to recast Gaston as the hero and Beast as the villain, the crux is in that those are key details. Beast is a villain at the start of the movie, half the point is that he changes over the course of it.
1. Rule of funny. Belle's oblivious wander through town caused damage because it's a cartoon, and Rule of Funny. That isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
2. The crux of the story, which is supposed to be taken seriously, is in how the two different interested men, Beast vs Gaston, actually treat Belle. Belle willingly lets herself be held captive by Beast in exchange for her father's freedom, but then he willingly lets her go. Belle is not interested in Gaston, and he has no authority to hold her captive, but he imprisons her anyways, and tries to kill his rival for her affections to further force the issue.
3. Beast, while a miserable cur at the start of the story, does not go out and aggress against others. He sulks in his castle, and if he is left alone, he leaves others alone. Gaston and the townsfolk, however, come out to try to kill him unprovoked. Even if they weren't going to take Belle at her word that he's not actually dangerous (anymore anyways), the reasonable thing to do would have been to send a party to the gates of his castle to have a chat. At that point in the story, he would have responded reasonably and basically just said 'No, if Belle's okay and doesn't want to come back, I'll leave her be. If you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.'
The real problem of the story, is how it can so easily encourage the 'good girl redeems bad boy' fantasy.' Beast, in the story, does have a change of heart, as evidenced by his willingness to 'let the one he loves go,' but that is not how that story usually plays out IRL. In real life, when some girl sees a 'bad boy' and thinks she can either change him, or she'll be so special to him that he'll treat her well, is that she ends up being abused, and sometimes trapping herself in the relationship.
In some cultures and legal systems, particularly the muslim world, women can get permanently trapped in an abusive relationship with just about no recourse whatsoever.
TL;DR While it's reasonable to say it'd only require changing a few key details to recast Gaston as the hero and Beast as the villain, the crux is in that those are key details. Beast is a villain at the start of the movie, half the point is that he changes over the course of it.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Portugal could be considered African considering I was told by a professor (leftist ORIENTATION ) that there were so many villages in the past populated by Africans that ended up just mixing up with the general population.
Spain is a bit odd but they deal much better than Italy with migrants.
Italy seems to actually manage to relocate migrants.
Naufragio di Cutro: su 76 migranti, 33 già ricollocati in Germania. Diciotto resteranno in Italia - Secolo d'Italia
Gli impegni presi dal Governo relativamente ai migranti scampati al naufragio di Cutro sono stati rispettati, spiega Palazzo Chigi
www.secoloditalia.it
Yinko
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Before the Reconquista? What is he, using the "one drop" rule or something?
bintananth
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If you use the "one drop" rule almost everyone is a Neanderthal.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Looks to me more like they're using the Chinese definition.
Portugal completed their Reconquest much before Spain.
They also started to go to Africa much before any other (see Guinea Bissau, Angola, Cape Verde,Azores and forts in Morocco, notably Ceuta which still has the coat of arms despite being Spanish) and some of the people moved to Portugal.
Basically as long as you weren't from the former conquerors or had their religion Portugal welcomed you like the EU does today.
Portugal's identity was already defined to a degree and were multi-cultural-ish but what was considered multi-cultural back then was different than today.
You had to be useful and not a useful idiot or "voter" like when the Normans (or maybe their predecessors)took over Southern Italy.
You had to contribute to society.
Unlike a loud minority of today who contribute to make the lives of Natives and other immigrants miserable just as the Barbarians of the Roman Empire.
TheRejectionist
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gral
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In the 1600s, Lisbon was about 10% African, IIRC(slaves). I don't know about 'many' villages, but there was some mixing up, yes. By and large, the lowest percentages on that map come from countries that either don't have much experience with Africans, or have plenty of it.
Zyobot
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Bit of a “sus” meme format there, friend.
DarthOne
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I don’t get it?