SoliFortissimi
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Those women weren't feminists. The first White Feather organizers were ultra-conservatives like Baroness Orczy and.....the head of the Women's Anti-Suffragette League.
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White feather girls
I think that was in the UK though.
King Arts
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No as cherico said the original feminists who wanted to give women the vote gave men white feathers and called them cowards for not fighting in ww1.
The Vietnam era feminists or second wave feminists were not pure feminists yes they wanted women to have equal employment and pay and all that but they also had other complicated issues that made them anti Vietnam war.
SoliFortissimi
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No, it was the Anti-Feminists that did that. Including, to repeat myself, THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN'S ANTI-SUFFRAGETTE MOVEMENT!
Did that finally penetrate your dogmatic brain? It was the feminists that were opposing the draft and the anti-feminists that were handing out white feathers. Which is about what I would expect from women that oppose rights for women.......but at any rate, your dogma is literally the opposite of the truth.
Again.
King Arts
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Wasn’t there a suffrage organization that imploded because half opposed the war and draft and half supported it through?
SoliFortissimi
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Who knows? Look them up if you want to use them as an argument.
At any rate, I hope this knowledge won't be discarded out of hand the next time you want to attack feminists. It may be a forlorn hope, but I always try to think the best of others.
Well well well...
www.opendemocracy.net
The White Feather Campaign in the Second World War
Although the infamous white feather campaign - the vile practice of women handing out white feathers to men in civilian clothing in an effort to shame them into enlisting - is associated with the First
historyoffeminism.com
The 'White Feather Girls': women's militarism in the UK
The suffrage movement was split by the Great War. Most often remembered are the pacifists. But the militant history of feminist war supporters in Britain, and the audacity of the 'White Feather Girls' who shamed young men into enlisting, must also be remembered in this centenary year
www.opendemocracy.net
This is a literal denial of actual history. You are rewriting history in an attempt to make feminists somehow look better.
The White Feather Movement - Historic UK
In Britain during the First World War a white feather was often given to men out of uniform by women to shame them publicly into signing up to fight...
www.historic-uk.com
Emmeline Pankhurst - Wikipedia
The suffragettes were fucking terrorists, btw.
King Arts
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The Pankhurst that’s who I was thinking about thanks.This is a literal denial of actual history. You are rewriting history in an attempt to make feminists somehow look better.
The White Feather Movement - Historic UK
In Britain during the First World War a white feather was often given to men out of uniform by women to shame them publicly into signing up to fight...
Emmeline Pankhurst - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The suffragettes were fucking terrorists, btw.
SoliFortissimi
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Yep. By all possible definitions of the term. Also:
Are you seriously quoting a blog written by an anti-feminist historian that isn't even trying to stay objective?
White feather - Wikipedia
Marg Augusta Ward was the head and a founding member of the Women's Anti-Suffragette League, btw.
And Emmeline Pankhurst was the leader of the most militant suffragette group, which you are deliberately ignoring.
Obvious troll is obvious
Obvious troll is obvious
SoliFortissimi
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Here we see proof of the failures of the public schooling system. My very first line agrees that they were terrorists.
The point being....the white feathers were not solely anti...
SoliFortissimi
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No, all the millions of them were not a monolithic block. But it was primarily a movement derived from ultra conservative women, including the actual ANTI-Suffragettes.
But seriously, this entire line of argument is misguided. The last thing you'd want to attack zealots for is insufficient zeal. Even if you manage to make it stick, somehow, do you know what will happen next? I'll tell you.
Feminists will start demanding that women start taking up top roles in all militaries, and the older feminists will be discarded as not being extremist enough.
Woman are no longer at the top of the SJW totem pole, so they will lose to gay disabled people of colour, or something.
SoliFortissimi
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No, they're still on top. And they will stay on top as long as power is decided by how much money and votes you can bring to the table. It's (VERY roughly) women>blacks and other nonwhites>LGBTs>poor middle class whites>Jews>=Asians>Whites in principle.
Reminder, this is a very rough estimate. In practice, it's white men on top unless some woman wants their post, then blacks, and then Jews.
In any case, that business of women giving white feathers to sane guys who did not want to go and throw their lives away in the service of a regime that cared nothing for them except as an expandable resource were probably just acting on a primitive female instinct: trying to get men to kill each other so the females get to mate with the winners.
SoliFortissimi
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Don't say that in front of your mother.
And no, it was just nationalism. It was very popular in those days to preach that there's nothing sweeter than to give your life for your country.
WW1 was actually the point where that idea started to become unpopular. The Vietnam War ended it.
I might.
The people preaching that idea the loudest would typically be those who would never themselves be expected to do that.