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Husky_Khan

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"Forgive" does not mean marry.
One can have compassion without self immolating

The meme is about forgiveness though, not forced marriage or forgetting. Like learning to forgive without forgetting is a pretty common thing brought up I feel in general.

As is my understanding, sincere repentance is sincere repentance. No one should force anyone to marry someone else but if anyone is repentant of their sin, then their spirit is born anew through Christ.
 

DarthOne

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mrttao

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The meme is about forgiveness though, not forced marriage or forgetting. Like learning to forgive without forgetting is a pretty common thing brought up I feel in general.

As is my understanding, sincere repentance is sincere repentance. No one should force anyone to marry someone else but if anyone is repentant of their sin, then their spirit is born anew through Christ.
The meme is absolutely about marrying her.
"damaged goods" means "unsuitable for marriage".

the crying losers are saying it when god forgives this woman's sins. Meaning we are supposed to mock and revile those crying losers, and disagree with their message.

her finding forgiveness means:
1. no legal punishment from secular govt
2. no divine punishment in afterlife

but the crying losers are absolutely right that she is still "damaged goods" (unsuitable for marriage) even if she is forgiven by the lord after she became a "born again virgin".
 

Husky_Khan

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The meme is absolutely about marrying her.
"damaged goods" means "unsuitable for marriage".

the crying losers are saying it when god forgives this woman's sins. Meaning we are supposed to mock and revile those crying losers, and disagree with their message.

her finding forgiveness means:
1. no legal punishment from secular govt
2. no divine punishment in afterlife

but the crying losers are absolutely right that she is still "damaged goods" (unsuitable for marriage) even if she is forgiven by the lord after she became a "born again virgin".

The Lord isn't preventing "legal punishment from the secular govt" in the case of this meme and thus I don't see how that relates to the meme. Divine punishment and forgiveness does sometimes contrast sharply with secular punishment.

I'm not sure the standard of "divine punishment" in the afterlife if you are forgiven for your sins due to sincere repentance.

The statement damaged goods still doesn't imply forced marriage, especially to the "crying losers" in the meme.

I'm not sure what metric you are using regarding how "damaged her goods" are in that genuine repentance earning forgiveness from the Lord makes her somehow unsuitable for marriage in general. The meme, not being a left wing meme, clearly didn't specify how "damaged her goods" are so I'm not sure what assumption of what level of "damaged goods" you are referring to in this case.
 

Scottty

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I'm not sure what metric you are using regarding how "damaged her goods" are in that genuine repentance earning forgiveness from the Lord makes her somehow unsuitable for marriage in general.

Did anyone claim that?
No, the idea would be that her past choices made her unsuitable for marriage, and that God's forgiveness does not change this earthly consequence of her sins.
And this means unsuitable in the eyes of any potential suitors, not in some absolute moral sense.
 

Cherico

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Real historical example: the conquest of the Aztec Empire by the Spanish adventurer Cortez and his relatively small army. Aztec rule was so oppressive that many of the other Mesoamerican tribes they had ruled over were eager to show up and say "I'll help".

Aztec rule was so bad that the freaking Spanish were a step up.

And they were not kind at all, the catholic church for all of its faults does not give enough credit for restraining those maniacs.
 

Wargamer08

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Aztec rule was so bad that the freaking Spanish were a step up.

And they were not kind at all, the catholic church for all of its faults does not give enough credit for restraining those maniacs.
Some of the writings from the priests on the expedition were great. Just the slow realization of how totally evil the Aztec religion was. Priests used to religious differences being squabbling over popes or holy days or Islam being presented with the Aztec's almost industrialized mass slaughter and torture.
 

DarthOne

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Some of the writings from the priests on the expedition were great. Just the slow realization of how totally evil the Aztec religion was. Priests used to religious differences being squabbling over popes or holy days or Islam being presented with the Aztec's almost industrialized mass slaughter and torture.
Got any suggestions for reading?
 

ATP

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First, anti-Semetic is actually a valid spelling. I'm shocked you didn't know that, given you professed understanding of how words worked.

Second, yes, it also has to do with being against Jews ethnically as well. But, and this is key, if the person who is anti-Semetic also hates Arabs, there's another term for that (usually Islamophobia, another term that can't be parsed based on splitting the word into two). We also have a general term for people who hate generally: bigots.
No,some time jews decided that antisemitism mean hating jews only,thanks to that theu kick out other semites from their land.
But - that is jew problem,not ours,and we could call antisemitism as what it is - hate of all semites.
 

Skallagrim

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Some mind-boggling pseudo-historical nonsense going on in this thread.

@ATP's claim that Jews decided that "anti-Semitism" refers only to Jews is bullshit. As in: the complete opposite of the truth! The phrase antisemitische Vorurteile ("anti-Semitic biases") was first used in 1860, indeed referring in that instance to a predjudice against all Semitic peoples. True! It was used, however, by Moritz Steinschneider. Who was... a Jew! It was used once, in his response to the work of the French philosopher Ernest Renan, who had opined that all Semitic races were inferior to all Aryan races. Steinschneider noted that this was an anti-Semitic ("against all Semites") prejudice on Renan's part.

Thereafter, the term was not used again for 19 years.

In 1879, the word Antisemitismus was used, and in this case by Wilhelm Marr. Now, Marr was not a Jew. In fact, Marr hated Jews. He was unaware of Steinschneider's usage of the term, and he specifically introduced Antisemitismus as a more "scientific-sounding" alternative to the term Judenhaß (literally "Jew-hatred"). Note that Marr explicitly meant for the word to refer only to Jews.

After this, the term took off. And it took off first in Jew-hating circles. The emerging Völkish movement (a progenitor to the Nazis) loved the word. They fancied themselves "scientific", and "racially enlightened". They didn't want to be associated with thuggish Judenhaß. They were simply learned observers, whose insights led them to scientific and justified Antisemitismus. Which meant: they were against Jews. They did not apply it to, say, Arabs. In fact, quite a lot of them were a bit in love with Islam, and considered Jihad to be a noble example that Aryan warriors should emulate. As such, far from being "a hatred of all Semitic peoples", Antisemitismus was expressly an antipathy towards the Jews, which the self-styled "Aryans" felt they shared with Muslims (including Arabs).

Over time, Marr's intent actually worked, and the term Antisemitismus was universally adopted. And it meant, to all people, "hatred of Jews". That was what he had intended it to mean, and that is how it was understood.

Hilariously, a Jew had used it to mean something else first! But that was forgotten! but in any case, this totally disproves that Jews stole the term and changed its meaning. The reverse is true.

Ever since Marr, the word has meant what he intended it to mean. Jew-hatred, but with an attempt at a dignified veneer. The more recent, and very deliberate misapplication of "anti-Semitism" to refer to some "broader group" than just Jews is specifically a thing that originated in... yup, anti-Semitic circles. It's not some "historic usage" that the Jews altered. It's a deliberate attempt to change the word into something that can be used to attack Jews. And this usage first appeared in the 1980s! It's very much a political word-game with malicious intent-- and thus, nobody except Jew-haters will use the word that way.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that an insistence on the notion that "anti-Semitism" means "hatred of all Semites including Arabs" rather than "hatred of Jews specifically" is a by now a clear sign of Jew-hatred. Anyone who vehemently insists on that supposed "true meaning" is no doubt an anti-Semite. Meaning: he is a Jew-hater. He's just trying to hide it behind pseudo-scientific babble. Much like his equally Jew-hating predecessor, Wilhelm Marr.



...Incidentally, it's funny that @IndyFront complains about @Abhorsen using "anti-Semitism" and not "antisemitism". Hilariously, the former is the traditional spelling in English, whereas the latter is an new alternative spelling... that is preferred by most Jewish advocacy groups. Because they consider it as more accurately reflecting the idea that the word applies only to Jews, and not to all Semitic peoples.

:p :p :p
 
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ATP

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Some mind-boggling pseudo-historical nonsense going on in this thread.

@ATP's claim that Jews decided that "anti-Semitism" refers only to Jews is bullshit. As in: the complete opposite of the truth! The phrase antisemitische Vorurteile ("anti-Semitic prejudices") was first used in 1860, indeed referring in that instance to a predjudice against all Semitic peoples. True! It was used, however, by Moritz Steinschneider. Who was... a Jew! It was used once, in his response to the work of the French philosopher Ernest Renan, who had opined that all Semitic races were inferior to all Aryan races. Steinschneider noted that this was an anti-Semitic ("against all Semites") predjudice on Renan's part.

Thereafter, the term was not used again for 19 years.

In 1879, the word Antisemitismus was used, and in this case by Wilhelm Marr. Now, Marr was not a Jew. In fact, Marr hated Jews. He was unaware of Steinschneider's usage of the term, and he specifically introduced Antisemitismus as a more "scientific-sounding" alternative to the term Judenhaß (literally "Jew-hatred"). Note that Marr explicitly meant for the word to refer only to Jews.

After this, the term took off. And it took off first in Jew-hating circles. The emerging Völkish movement (a progenitor to the Nazis) loved the word. They fancied themselves "scientific", and "racially enlightened". They didn't want to be associated with thuggish Judenhaß. They were simply learned observers, whose insights led them to scientific and justified Antisemitismus. Which meant: they were against Jews. They did not apply it to, say, Arabs. In fact, quite a lot of them were a bit in love with Islam, and considered Jihad to be a noble example that Aryan warriors should emulate. As such, far from being "a hatred of all Semitic peoples", Antisemitismus was expressly an antipathy towards the Jews, which the self-styled "Aryans" felt they shared with Muslims (including Arabs).

Over time, Marr's intent actually worked, and the term Antisemitismus was universally adopted. And it meant, to all people, "hatred of Jews". That was what he had intended it to mean, and that is how it was understood.

Hilariously, a Jew had used it to mean something else first! But that was forgotten! but in any case, this totally disproves that Jews stole the term and changed its meaning. The reverse is true.

Ever since Marr, the word has meant what he intended it to mean. Jew-hatred, but with an attempt at a dignified veneer. The more recent, and very deliberate misapplication of "anti-Semitism" to refer to some "broader group" than just Jews is specifically a thing that originated in... yup, anti-Semitic circles. It's not some "historic usage" that the Jews altered. It's a deliberate attempt to change the word into something that can be used to attack Jews. And this usage first appeared in the 1980s! Nobody except Jew-haters use the word that way.



...Incidentally, it's funny that @IndyFront complains about @Abhorsen using "anti-Semitism" and not "antisemitism". Hilariously, the former is the traditional spelling in English, whereas the latter is an new alternative spelling... that is preferred by most Jewish advocacy groups. Because they consider it as more accurately reflecting the idea that the word applies only to Jews, and not to all Semitic peoples.

:p :p :p
Then,i simply come back to roots.Antisemitism is hate of all semites.I do not care what germans did with it later,becouse they are not only genociders,but also very,very stupid.
 

ATP

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It was when the Assyrians got displaced that I had to do a double take personally. It's not every day you find out that an ancient fallen BRONZE AGE empire has descendants that still use their name.
So,USA decide to finish them off,becouse they opressed jews 2700 years ago?
That could be explanation about Assyrians,but why USA want to kill other christian groups and Jazyds ?
 

S'task

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So,USA decide to finish them off,becouse they opressed jews 2700 years ago?
That could be explanation about Assyrians,but why USA want to kill other christian groups and Jazyds ?
Do you ever actually research things?

The Assyrians were displaced by ISIS, AFAIK the US never bombed the Assyrians in any way, rather, they attacked those who displaced them in the region when we moved against ISIS.
 

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