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Not relevant to the discussion? In comparing how a country splits up, the US nationalists arent important, because the US is splitting. A state nationalist woild mayter, but only Texas qualifies.
Do you have any idea how bloody the India Pakistan split was? Seriously, read a history book before shouting your ignorance to the world.
Seriously, my argument is that it's going to be bloody in X way, similar to the bloody India Partition, and your argument is denying that the India partition was violent?
The India analogy is good for a few reasons. First, the split coasts with the same government mirror Pakistans two sections prior to Bangladesh splitting off. Second, people will absolutely be migrating and getting killed trying to do so. But afterwards, there won't be a lot of Ds in the R territory and visa versa. So it will un balkanize, like what happened in the India Pakistan split.
...yes, let's just ignore the Hindu and Muslim conflict and it's part of that whole affair.
R and D disagreements and grudges do not come close to matching the religious animosity behind how India and Pakistan split.
I have not seen anything in the US, outside some shit the Commanche and Aztecs did, that matches the sort of fervor and barbarity that the religious conflict that predates the British partitioning of the Raj, a religious conflict which is where most of the conflict came from.
Wait so there's so much animosity in this hypothetical Civil War we'll turn out like the Balkans but it won't be really bad like the Partition of India?
Even though one of the arguments is that migrations will be stopped by bullets in this scenario?
Even though one of the arguments is that migrations will be stopped by bullets in this scenario?
Yes, because I expect far more than 2 or 3 power blocks/new nations would emerge, and that it would be based more on regional ties than religious dogma or conflict.
The Balkans have some religiously sourced stupidity too, but more of it was tied to locations or communist/post-commie bullshit, rather than to religion, in recent times.
Now the India/Pakistan aspect only really works in that the new post-US nations would have nuclear arsenals to point at each other, unlike the Balkans.
mrttao
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Do you seriously think the hordes of invaders who do not speak english are going to be loyal soldiers for the democrat states?
And if they are... why would you prefer to keep them in your own territory? they are far better off being shipped to the democrat areas and eating their infrastructure instead
war is won by logistics.
hordes of bodies mean little in modern warfare. see russia ukraine war
Skitzyfrenic
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CA certainly has enough nationalism to go it's own way in a split. Bear Republic, Excelsa in nobis est arrogantia, or some shit. Would likely take coastal Washington and Oregon with it.
Hawaii would absolutely tell everyone to fuck off and probably purge some of the white people in a brief race war, and seize most if not all the corporate property. And likely re-instate their monarchy, but constitutionally this go around. Then proceed to scramble and panic when they realize that they just fucked up their major money making abilities and no longer receive massive subsidies.
Alaska would probably go it's own way until Western Canada (Which has a higher chance of happening if the US starts peeling itself apart) broke off and would likely join up with that.
Texas has a high likely hood of breaking off, and a non-zero chance of taking chunks of it's neighbors with it.
Most of the rest of the country clumping together? Sure. I can see most of the rest staying as one nation. I can also see it breaking into major regional chunks.
Like Greater New England/North East, The South (minus Florida which would cause that break off), Utah would become Deseret cause they've got that religious nationalism simmering there quietly afaik, and most of the rest of the flyover states would hang out together. I can see that spread happening.
I don't think it'll break down to State vs State balkanization. But I can certainly see a route for the US cutdown. And a subsequent route for re-unification.
I think it's less likely than the nation staying mostly together. But it could feasibly happen.
Hawaii would absolutely tell everyone to fuck off and probably purge some of the white people in a brief race war, and seize most if not all the corporate property. And likely re-instate their monarchy, but constitutionally this go around. Then proceed to scramble and panic when they realize that they just fucked up their major money making abilities and no longer receive massive subsidies.
Alaska would probably go it's own way until Western Canada (Which has a higher chance of happening if the US starts peeling itself apart) broke off and would likely join up with that.
Texas has a high likely hood of breaking off, and a non-zero chance of taking chunks of it's neighbors with it.
Most of the rest of the country clumping together? Sure. I can see most of the rest staying as one nation. I can also see it breaking into major regional chunks.
Like Greater New England/North East, The South (minus Florida which would cause that break off), Utah would become Deseret cause they've got that religious nationalism simmering there quietly afaik, and most of the rest of the flyover states would hang out together. I can see that spread happening.
I don't think it'll break down to State vs State balkanization. But I can certainly see a route for the US cutdown. And a subsequent route for re-unification.
I think it's less likely than the nation staying mostly together. But it could feasibly happen.
Ignore? That's the entire reason it's relevant. Seriously, do you have any reading comprehension?
A religious conflict is a much better comparison to a political belief conflict. The option of an ethnic conflict is a bad one. That's literally why I chose the India Pakistan split.
Meanwhile, you seem to now be underestimating how bad the Balkans are, somehow.
It's kinda hilarious how stuck you are on the idea that I have to be wrong, that you keep changing the reason I'm wrong, because you keep failing.
Russians be playing chess. No one ever said you couldn't take both pills.
Hmm...
Let's see, no mention of religious conflict in any of the prior exchange on your part, till AFTER, I brought it up.
But go ahead and keep pretending you are all knowing, when you didn't even know you could get raw milk legally through wholesalers, or that Zelensky was not expecting to enter NATO at this point, and run away when I show you are wrong, you poor excuse for a Ferengi.
... Yes, because it's so fucking obvious it's implied? It's like not mentioning ethnic conflict as the cause when you say "It'll be like the Balkans", because that's implied.
Lol. Zelensky still wants into NATO, he just knows he can't. Please, keep stating my positions wrong.
If we are adding up actually bad positions, you win by a mile on stupidity. No one can catch you. Seriously, there's such a long list of things that'll you'll ree about, demanding that others bow down to your short sighted stupidity, that it boggles the mind. You'd have a better knowledge of current affairs if you lived under a rock, and likely a better attitude too.
And yet I knew you could get raw milk legally from wholesalers, while you acted like that was not a thing.
Edit: Oh, and let's not forget you are one of the 'taxes are theft' fools, along with someone who doesn't seem to understand geopolitics, thinking if we ignored the Houthi's they and Iran would leave us alone, with your complaints about support for the fight against the Houthi's, and much else.
I had a much better opinion of Libertarians till you joined this forum.
I'm sorry I don't want to steal money to kill poor people in other countries, I understand that must be infuriating to you and your insatiable bloodlust. Hopefully someday you can grow up and find a brain and a heart, you weird combo of Dorothy's companions. Given you want others to die to satisfy this but not willing to risk yourself, I'd actually put you at a solid 3 for 3!
I'm wary of anything a Neocon has a good opinion of, so I'll take this as a win. NeverNikki, NeverBacle.
Ah yes thinking 'taxes are theft' logic actually flies outside AnCap circles, and that jihadi fucks controlled by Iran who are attacking Israel and international shipping are just 'poor people'.
And yes, I'd rather our enemies die and protect our allies/interests than see our people/allies die due to your types moronically-isolationist AnCap morality.
Not a neocon, just someone willing to admit when the neocons got something right, and that weakness in geopolitics doesn't result in compassion, but conflict.
And actually, calling you a Ferengi is an insult to that race, when you are more like one of the moronic Federation peaceniks who got so many killed when they didn't take the Dominion seriously enough.
The people you claim to want to kill aren't poor people. The people you'll actually kill are though. Meanwhile, you'll do near zero damage to the jihadist groups other than help them out. US intervention has been one of the greatest booms to Jihadism ever.
"Not a neocon, I just align with them on every policy, including sucking off the MIC." I don't know how you can suppress your gag reflex enough to swallow the communism of Cost Plus Contracts, but you do! Really, it's quite an achievement to be so blind to communism that you don't notice it wearing camo!
Jihadi's are the result of the USSR teaching kamikaze tactics to Arabs with the help of former IJA officers who were more sympathetic to commies than to the US after WW2.
Also, jihadi's want to die, so let's oblige them but deny them martyrdom of taking any of ours with them. There is literally nothing the US could do to make there be less jihadi's except just killing them.
Also, as a certain line from a certain movie goes 'Ideals are peaceful, history is violent.' and unlike you I don't believe the bullshit of how the US fighting back against the Houthi's makes them stronger or creates more jihadi's.
You may have noticed I don't agree with the neocon tax cut goals, because I don't feel taxes are a bad thing or theft, instead of societal/infrastructure upkeep payments.
I also don't think neocons are very good about social issues at home, given their fairly limited inventory of ideas for handling tricky domestic situations.
But the neocons have proven right about many parts of geopolitics and that the US doesn't have the option to 'not care' about a lot of things going on around the world anymore.
The fact you think cost plus contracts are communism just shows how out of touch you are with reality, and how absorbed into the farcical AnCap world you've gone.
You are an idiot. A complete, brain dead idiot. This is why you'd be immeasurably more intelligent if you went to living under a rock: The rock knows more than you do. All you did was smash terms together arbitrarily.
This wasn't a USSR plot, you moron. Nor was this linked to the IJA. There was 35 years in between the end of the Imperial Japan and the beginning of suicide bombing as a general islamic terror tactic. You honestly think a bunch of 60-70 year old Zen fanatics suddenly in the 80s, decided now was a good time to teach Islamists how to do suicide attacks, and to do this, they'll be employed by the Atheistic USSR who's actively fighting a bunch of Religious Extremists in Afghanistan at the time? (Yes, I know there wasn't suicide bombings during the Afghan-Soviet war. But I doubt they'd spend their time training Jihadists when the US was funneling them to Afghanistan either).
Have you ever even seen a history book? Do you know the bare basics of when suicide bombing began as a common tactic?
Of course not. You're Bacle. Your knowledge of History rivals only HistoryLearner.
Let's look at this:
Healthcare costs: that's cause of Government.
Wall Street and the Ruling elite? Use government to fuck you.
Crushing debt? That's either your fault, or government (Student debt, interest rate).
So thanks for proving my point lol.
Yeah, because you are worse than neocons lol. NeverBacle.
The only issue with the above meme is that it ranks you way to highly.
Japanese Red Army - Wikipedia
Wonder where the JRA got the idea to teach jihadi's kamikaze tactics?
Health care cost existed before Obamacare raised prices, and as a non-government service for most of human history; it was governments who kept snake oils salesmen from conning people.
Wall Street and the ruling elite wouldn't go away either, despite your delusions to the contray.
And student debt is the fault of academia needed it to stay solvent and keep useless depts afloat; that is on individual institutions, not the government. Though I guess the gov does get some benefit from the loan forgiveness offers for gov workers soldiers.
And you are dumber than most liberals or conservatives, being an AnCap after all.
Though thanks for showing you will keep harassing me as a mod, and will attempting to shout me down when you can; what else am I supposed to take 'NeverBacle' mean.
AnCaps like are worthless to US politics, and morons to boot.
But hey, keep digging the hole for the reputation of the Libertarian party on this site, it'll just make it easier to convince moderates to ignore the Libertarian party completely.
The Japanese Red Army is not the IJA, you moron. It's founders were born in 1945. Please learn what you are talking about before exposing your stupidity to the world.Wonder where the JRA got the idea to teach jihadi's kamikaze tactics?
The JRA was not a bunch of Zen fanatics either. The connection you draw between them is the type of things conspiracy theorists would laugh at. You are actively shouting to the world how little you know about history.
"Uh, yeah, they shared a country, so they have the same ideas" -Bacle.
Who said Obamacare? There was a ton of government interference before that too.
... How do the Ruling Elite exercise power? Through use of government. That's where the "Ruling" part comes from. Basic Reading comprehension, Bacle. You should have been held back in kindegarten for not knowing how to read.
It's a reference to NeverNikki, you absolute bufoon. Because your TS's discount Nikki. You might have realized that had you bothered to read, but then, I understand that can be difficult for those who can't read.
Look at you just rack up L's by the way. First it was the claims that the Partition of India wasn't violent, now it's the tinfoil hat idea that IJA members were in the JRA despite it taking place 25 years later and none of the members of the JRA being old enough at the time of WW2, if they were even born yet. Look, at somepoint you've got to at least look at a history book, Bacle. I promise that you don't have to keep treating them like the Ark of the Covenant, and yes, you can look inside them. Maybe, once you graduate Kindegarten, you can read them, instead of just looking at the pretty pictures.
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