No I vehemently disagree. We should go back to our traditional roots.
Everything was going fine until the Bronze Age Collapse. We know how that started (probably).
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No I vehemently disagree. We should go back to our traditional roots.
Everything was going fine until the Bronze Age Collapse. We know how that started (probably).
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Is it worth defending the CSA and it's symbols in the public space? Is that the best use of the Right's political capital when someany other things are under attack that are actually worth defending and are essential parts of our nation.
I won't say people cannot have Confederate stuff on private property, or their own homes. That is a very bright 1st Amendment line.
But the statues were mostly put up by the female equivalent of the Klan and their Dem allies, specifically to spite the freed slaves stuck under Jim Crow. They should come down via local vote, not violent mob, and I have already said so many times.
And you see this wonderful second post you quoted? Yeah. We both know that the Far Right only tolerates our presence beacuse they don't have power to purge us for not being ideologically pure enough.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My main criticism of you, to use Sun Tzus framing, is that you know neither your yourself/your allies), nor your enemies. Even worse, you are not simply ignorant of both, but deeply believe you know a great deal about both, which are both simply not true.
On this game we are playing, you have a false sense of what the state of the board is, who the players are, a fabricated history of how the board reached its current status, and how this game actually works.
Thus, your suggestions come across as either insane, grounded in complete ignorance, or actively sabotaging of the cause.
That is my criticism of you in this discussion we've been having. Your applying faulty logic to a poor understanding of how things are.
You say Republicans should be pro environment? They are. They literally created the Environmental Protection Agency. Republicans are deeply involved in many conservation groups. They're not communists however, so it doesn't matter.
You say Republicans should be pro black and anti confederacy? They are. Republicans bend over backwards to try and appeal to blacks, voted in the civil rights acts over democratic opposition, actively purge anyone with the smallest hint of pro white sympathy, up to voting in a democrat rather than a racist when one won a primary. Their not communists however, so it doesn't matter.
To those of us who have been in this a while, what your saying seems to amount to "If only the Republicans were still lead by George Bush, Nixon, and McCain, everything would be great".
Your arguing that Republicans do what they have done for at least 50 years and follow in the Rommey/McCain tradition. Because that worked out so well.
The basic argument is that giving out a compromise means they are back for more compromises 5 years later. The only way to stop it is a clear bright line. And no statues coming down is the clearest one possible. But when you post, you usually aren't arguing tactics, you are arguing morality. This results in people talking past one another, and then results in another pages long argument that is pointless, as nothing is accomplished. Instead, next time this happens, argue why, tactically/stratigically, it would help the non-leftists to remove the statue.
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Terthna
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It's actually rather surprising how little the religious conservatives have actually done to try and overtly censor media, outside of a few prominent individuals; the majority of the effort going back decades has mostly come from the Democrats.
From an angry mob? Yes; because to not do so is to surrender the legitimacy of the rule of law. If people want them taken down, there are legal channels available to them for accomplishing that goal. And if they don't work out? Well, I'm sorry; but that just happens sometimes when everyone gets a vote, and not everyone agrees on what should be done. Better luck next time.
CarlManvers2019
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Hollywood’s REALLY good at depicting situations as being way different
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yes, they are. And like all of the most dangerous lies, there's a grain, and only a grain of truth to it. I won't try to deceive you; there is a tiny but vocal minority amongst Christian Conservatives who would try to ban things like anime, violent video games, etc.
But the thing about the Hollywood lies, is the vast majority of the time, they depict the entirety of people they don't like, as being like the slim minority. It just isn't actually like that though.
You say shit like this, and you wonder why people here 'put words in your mouth' and claim you support collective guilt?
Some people online are just spoiling for a fight, and neither you nor I can change that. But if you don't want to pick fights with plenty other people, stop grouping us all together. There's been a wide variety of views and ideas expressed just on this thread, much less all the others you've engaged with various people on.
CarlManvers2019
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I doubt even if that vocal minority was in larger numbers, they’d be able to change things much
Simply put, all you Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Protestants and so on have kinda lost your fanaticism
Islam’s probably got more chances of establishing a totalitarian-theocracy with major levels of control and influence down to private life.
I actually don't have a problem with the evangelical community as a whole.
There are corrupt assholes in it but from my personal experience no more then then most other religious groups. I find most of them are actually willing to live and let live and don't really have a problem with them. The evangelical community has the proven ability to be able to sit down and coexist with other faiths, subcultures ect. They might disaprove but that's fine tolerance isnt about giving every one acceptance its being able to cope with the people and things that annoy you.
Over all I have had evangelical neighbors and they have treated me just fine, I find that most of them are willing to agree to disagree based on religion and I can live with that.
The most intolerant neighbors I've ever had however were socialists, most of you have no idea just how dickish socialists are in person, just no idea.
I think people have to remember, at least how I see it, traditionalism lost amoung the "mainstream of the elite" about a 100 years ago. By the 1920s, amoung the elite class who made national policy, the social scientist held more sway than a preacher. And probably within most mainstream protestant churchs!
Socialism basically took over world wide after WW1 killed off tradionalism and liberalism. Liberalism was able to resasert itself after the global crisis of socialism in the 1970s. Traditionalism tried, having realized there were problems with mixing socialism and religion.
Traditionalism I dont think ever really suceeded in getting back into the elite mainstream, at least as an independent block: they represented enough commoners that the elites needed to pay lip service to them, but never seemed to really convert enough elites to true believers like socialism and liberalism did to matter.
Socialism basically took over world wide after WW1 killed off tradionalism and liberalism. Liberalism was able to resasert itself after the global crisis of socialism in the 1970s. Traditionalism tried, having realized there were problems with mixing socialism and religion.
Traditionalism I dont think ever really suceeded in getting back into the elite mainstream, at least as an independent block: they represented enough commoners that the elites needed to pay lip service to them, but never seemed to really convert enough elites to true believers like socialism and liberalism did to matter.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
There are different kinds of fanaticism. Christians who are actually conversant with the teachings of Christ, are fanatical about trying to demonstrate Love, and aware of how much of a struggle it can be to do something so simple, but important.
When literally the sum of moral law is 'Love God and Love your fellow man,' it makes a difference. In the end, Christians are supposed to persuade people of the truth of the Gospel through Love demonstrated, not by verbally or physically bludgeoning people into submission.
Obviously, this has been corrupted in many ways by many people over the years, but the core of the message remains.
It's kind of tragically hilarious how few people who make movies with depictions of not just Christianity, but practically every religion, are completely non-conversant with their actual doctrines.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Unfortunately, that’s not the kind of fanaticism that helps in feeding the egos of the believers
The kind of egos that seem to enjoy “punishing” the “sinful” to throw into the fire whilst having the cheering and approval of the crowd
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Indeed. One of the biggest favors the left has done for Conservative Christianity in America, is make it the 'in' thing for Karens to jump over to the SJW crowd.
Not all of them left, of course, but a lot of them did.
>dixiecrats flipped to GOP in protest to end of segeration
>dixiecrats flipped to GOP
>GOP, the party that ended segeration
>they flipped to that party
lol, wut.
Doomsought
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And this is one of the other reasons "progressive" keep winning the social war, people just believe it when they claim conservative victories. Wilson was a democrat.
I know. Shocking, all of progress doesn't come from the left or the right. But it does tend to come from the future when we look at America, hence my wondering what other stupidity you wanted from the past when you cry that things aren't the same as they used to be:
Oh, and while I'm here, fuck you and fuck your closet. The reason progressives win the social war is because there are people like you to point to who want to shove people like me into the closet.
LifeisTiresome
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First, I want to say that I'm on your side Abhorsen. I have no issue with gay people, lesbian people. Hell, I have no issue with Trans people per say cause at the end of the day, if a man or woman wants to sterilize themselves or cut their body parts off, as long as I don't have to pay for it. Go right ahead. I hate the fact that they push their bs on kids and are trying to force everyone to cowtow to them.
Anyway, while I don't agree with @Doomsought at all. I have to admit I have seen people both on youtube and reddit say that the slippery slope is real and that they regret letting gay people out of the closet and marrying cause of all the bullshit that has been unleashed when that was allowed to happen. So leftists are creating people like Doomsought by their own nonsense.
Hell, thats me too. I once had no problem with feminism or trans people at all. I didn't believe in the slippery slope but then we have what was said will happen happen. But then I saw them pushing queer and trans and drag onto kids, especially boys pushed by feminism which has shown that it utterly despises men. Leftism showed me that they are at war with men and the trans and queer bullshit is meant to destroy men. That along with the assault on male entertainment and groups by leftist combined with the previous redpilled me.
Basically, Lesbians, Gays and Bi's associating with the rest of the LGBTQ+ nonsense as that is whats making people think you are all the worst kind of degenerates.
I believe that the LGBs were used by leftists as a trojan horse to create a foothold onto society and then push even greater bullshit.
Some academics and theorists might have felt this way, but the reality is the other way around. LGBT seems like the last actual fight for equal rights to many. And then it won. Now people who have built lives on activism (on a number of causes) are out of a job if they are honest. Before, when they won they could move on to the next equal rights fight, but now all is won. The only activists that are left are the grifters and crazies.
The problem is: imagine if you had stopped marriage equality, and that was still an open question today. Democrats would be using this as a legitimate campaign point on why gays needed to vote democratic. And they'd have a point. This would mean we'd have to vote democratic just to stop trump from putting a judge in that would make marriage equality impossible. Worse, that point sells. The gays wouldn't be all woke at this point (because the good faith activists wouldn't have abandoned the institutions), and belief in marriage equality would rise higher and higher among moderates especially, as had done for a while. Trump might not have been elected, as the world wouldn't have been crazed by overwhelming wokeness. Worse, if DOMA gets repealed by a democratic congress, gays vote democrat forever.
Instead, when gays won, and the crazies came out, you got a great target to campaign against, and the Democrats have done next to nothing nationally for the gays. It was all the courts. Long term, this benefits you a lot.
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I mean we’re looking at a major propaganda campaign to normalize pedophilia, their already testing how much they can do before public resistance increases, and you can bet that every time there is an outcry the people pushing it don’t stop-they simply draw back and recalibrate. That may mean a non apology(like what Netflix gave), or something else.
The slippery slope happens because slippery slopes are a real thing. Especially if there are concrete agendas behind these social changes.
Nearly everything conservatives said about the floodgates after homosexual marriage came true. And you can be sure the powers are moving and deliberating how to outmaneuver and manipulate the public...again on pedophilia.
Thankfully some people have caught onto it, because the media and it’s allies in academia and “psychology” haven’t found their “After the Ball” strategy yet to manipulate public sentiment, as you know pedophiles aren’t as easy to get public sympathy for as homosexuals.
The slippery slope happens because slippery slopes are a real thing. Especially if there are concrete agendas behind these social changes.
Nearly everything conservatives said about the floodgates after homosexual marriage came true. And you can be sure the powers are moving and deliberating how to outmaneuver and manipulate the public...again on pedophilia.
Thankfully some people have caught onto it, because the media and it’s allies in academia and “psychology” haven’t found their “After the Ball” strategy yet to manipulate public sentiment, as you know pedophiles aren’t as easy to get public sympathy for as homosexuals.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Makes sense, especially if we follow the idea of SJWism as being like a religion, which is less about actually being a good person and more about shaming and attacking others in order to prove how good a person you are
They may forcibly indoctrinate school kids, but the real “faithful” are the teachers and the like who force it on others