LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

"Evidence that having children is essential to the survival of the species and one of the primary reasons marriage as a concept exists and also kind of our only purpose at a barebones level?"

When the secularists in this thread sound more fanatical than the Evangelists, you know this has gone on passed its bed time and they've completely run out of rebuttals.

edit- my take on LBG people adopting

If a single mother was competing for a lesbian or gay couple for an adoption spot, so long as that couple is middle or upper class the child should go to them. Same as if it were a single man..

If its a heterosexual couple, they should get preference over the gay or lesbian couple 100% of the time. otherwise it's fair game since kids kinda need the stability of a couple in their lives. Especially if the stats for just how many psychopaths and serial killers single parent households produce is at all accurate. Props to the single parents who raise awesome kids though, you guys are may as well be superheroes for the struggle there.

No trans person should ever be allowed to adopt, or permitted within 500 feet of any person under 18 at any point in time in said trans person entire existence. Family members who let them attend family events should be criminally charged with child neglect and corruption of minors and accessories to abuse.

Adoption agencies that let trans people adopt, should be classified as human trafficking organizations and shutdown..Women with a beard should be placed in hospital care until they give birth and then their children seized from them, for the protection of the child.

Anything less is aiding and abetting a human rights crisis.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes severe neurological defects have existed since before we even evolved into homosapiens,...bastardizing Egyptian Culture to say they glorified Troons and the other nonsense done to support the modern ritualized genital mutilation movement is nothing but a perverse absurdity and a violent attack on ancient cultures.




Last time I did so, the same former mods that protected you and gave you special treatment hit me with a bullshit three week ban.

But you knew that already since you were likely in on it....Since one or two of them are still here, I'll take that as an attempt to bait on your part.

I would defend you if she baited you into entrapment.

And thos thread keeps going in circles

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I would defend you if she baited you into entrapment.

And thos thread keeps going in circles

It really does, though mostly because one side doesn't understand the mentality of the other so they keep trying to debate them as if they're debating their own and when that fails attempting to shame people whose faith built itself into the largest and most successful religion in human history under constant harassment, denigration and literal genocide.

I never understood that, even in the 90's when the religious right was an actual organized force with an immense amount of political power and I was a kid in another country watching American news programs and wondering "why the hell don't they see they're approaching the Christian Cons with all the wrong assumptions"

And then the other side doesn't give a shit about the "secularist" side because if you ever debate someone whose consistent in their faith based politics they never will and they honestly shouldn't if they hold themselves men and women of the flock.

Staff shouldn't lock it though, since it isn't a flame war but this can go on another two hundred pages and the results will be the same.

 

[Largo]

No trans person should ever be allowed to adopt, or permitted within 500 feet of any person under 18 at any point in time in said trans person entire existence. Family members who let them attend family events should be criminally charged with child neglect and corruption of minors and accessories to abuse.

Adoption agencies that let trans people adopt, should be classified as human trafficking organizations and shutdown..Women with a beard should be placed in hospital care until they give birth and then their children seized from them, for the protection of the child.

Anything less is aiding and abetting a human rights crisis.

I legit don't understand why you would advocate this. If you're going to advocate that, you might as well just state that all trans people should be imprisoned or killed for existing. It's pretty much the same thing anyways, and is more honest.

 

[Zachowon]

I legit don't understand why you would advocate this. If you're going to advocate that, you might as well just state that all trans people should be imprisoned or killed for existing. It's pretty much the same thing anyways, and is more honest.

He is going off the multiple studies that have shown how bad trnasgender are with families and how a decent amount end up pedos

 

[Largo]

He is going off the multiple studies that have shown how bad trnasgender are with families and how a decent amount end up pedos

Even if we suppose that's the case, then you might as well just use that for your justification that all trans people should be imprisoned and/or killed. Because that's pretty much what he's suggesting. Hell, I'd rather be in jail than live "free" under those conditions.

 

[Bacle]

Even if we suppose that's the case, then you might as well just use that for your justification that all trans people should be imprisoned and/or killed. Because that's pretty much what he's suggesting. Hell, I'd rather be in jail than live "free" under those conditions.

I'm not a fan of the trans movement because of how they hijacked the LGBs (yet do not actually belong with those groups; sexual oreintation=/=gender).

However, the desire to effectively make them criminals simply for existing...yeah, no, that is way too fucking far.

 

[Zachowon]

Even if we suppose that's the case, then you might as well just use that for your justification that all trans people should be imprisoned and/or killed. Because that's pretty much what he's suggesting. Hell, I'd rather be in jail than live "free" under those conditions.

I mean, they are able to love thier lives with restrictions

 

[Largo]

I mean, they are able to love thier lives with restrictions

So are you trolling with this response or are you just that dumb?

I'd further point out that the government is not able to impose that sort of restriction without a conviction to begin with. In order for there to be a conviction, there must be an accusation. So you're accusing the trans person of....what, again?

 

[Zachowon]

So are you trolling with this response or are you just that dumb?

I'd further point out that the government is not able to impose that sort of restriction without a conviction to begin with. In order for there to be a conviction, there must be an accusation. So you're accusing the trans person of....what, again?

I was more making. Joke

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I legit don't understand why you would advocate this. If you're going to advocate that, you might as well just state that all trans people should be imprisoned or killed for existing. It's pretty much the same thing anyways, and is more honest.

No it isn't? They suffer from a horrific version of Body Dysmorphic Disorder, which is already horrifying enough. I want them treated the same way someone violently addicted to plastic surgery is treated. To give them the help they need to feel comfortable in their own skin.

But the ones who are already marred and drugged beyond all ability to reverse or ethically treat are not to be trusted with children. This is a statistical reality and frankly, they're victims of their own endocrinologists and surgeons as much as they are the activist class who exploit them.

I view trannies as victims of one of the most grotesque human rights abuse ever perpetrated, I put what they demand done to themselves and the men who do it on par with the Aztecs and the Carthaginians ritualistically slaughtering tens of thousands of people or the Unit 731 experiments and the like.

But just because someone is a victim doesn't mean they're innocent or harmless.

He is going off the multiple studies that have shown how bad trnasgender are with families and how a decent amount end up pedos

What he's doing is an old and pathetic tactic used to equate people who think the way these people are treated (Ie enabling a profoundly severe mental condition) with Hitler. It's pearl clutching at its finest and he probably report spammed me to the staff babbling about how I'm talking about violating the constitution or someshit in a desperate hope to get my account nuked.

It's dishonest and its hysterical in the classic mania related sense of the word.

I also find it ironic that a guy with a William Sherman avatar would pursue this avenue considering the bastard wanted to round up and exterminate all Black Americans both Hitler and Hydrich cited the dude when they babbled about the "final solution"

Even if we suppose that's the case, then you might as well just use that for your justification that all trans people should be imprisoned and/or killed. Because that's pretty much what he's suggesting. Hell, I'd rather be in jail than live "free" under those conditions.

Or you can, stop hyperventilating like a 17 year old who just discovered politics and actually fucking read my posts you mud slinging fanatic.

I'm not a fan of the trans movement because of how they hijacked the LGBs (yet do not actually belong with those groups; sexual oreintation=/=gender).

However, the desire to effectively make them criminals simply for existing...yeah, no, that is way too fucking far.

ahh and the guy who tried to have me banned on multiple forums chimes in..knowing he has me on ignore and lacks the balls to debate me directly so he cheap shots me.

Go back to Whitehall Bacle, you're basically a beaten spouse justifying your abusers at this point...fucking Cornudo repunante.


Notice how all the vultures circle me? And look how dishonest what that miserable eunuch bacle and this guy are doing.

When a severe schizophrenic who is beyond the capacity of modern medicine to bring to a position where she can live safely on her own..gets pregnant and is committed her child is taken from her.

What I'm proposing is no different than that..its a literal aspect of mental health holds

But yeah don't let that stop them from casting me as a Nazi, fucking filthy , disingenous vermin.


edit- What I loved about the old corrupt staff and the Rino squad was that I was targetted and harassed by the mods specifically because I refused to play by your script. No one with "extreme views" is allowed to fight back and we're all low information, screaming ignoramouses and all the other strawmen you miserable cretins construct and so you think you can silence and discredit me with a fucking lame peprepared sequence of repostes.

Except you can't and heaven forbid that I defend myself enough that just maybe, some people on this site actually value what I've got to say.

And that's what really bothers all of you at the end of the day.

Guys like me are winning, we're taking over the right and soon we'll be putting people in the Senate, in local office and on the Bench and after that?

The whitehouse.

To quote G'kar

"your time has come and gone"

 

[Zachowon]

No it isn't? They suffer from a horrific version of Body Dysmorphic Disorder, which is already horrifying enough. I want them treated the same way someone violently addicted to plastic surgery is treated. To give them the help they need to feel comfortable in their own skin.

But the ones who are already marred and drugged beyond all ability to reverse or ethically treat are not to be trusted with children. This is a statistical reality and frankly, they're victims of their own endocrinologists and surgeons as much as they are the activist class who exploit them.

I view trannies as victims of one of the most grotesque human rights abuse every perpetrated, I put what they demand done to themselves and the men who do it on par with the Aztecs and the Carthaginians ritualistically slaughtering tens of thousands of people or the Unit 731 experiments and the like.

But just because someone is a victim doesn't mean they're innocent or harmless.



What he's doing is an old and pathetic tactic used to equate people who think the way these people are treated (Ie enabling a profoundly severe mental condition) with Hitler. It's pearl clutching at its finest and he probably report spammed me to the staff babbling about how I'm talking about violating the constitution or someshit in a desperate hope to get my account nuked.

It's dishonest and its hysterical in the classic mania related sense of the word.

I also find it ironic that a guy with a William Sherman avatar would pursue this avenue considering the bastard wanted to round up and exterminate all Black Americans both Hitler and Hydrich cited the dude when they babbled about the "final solution"



Or you can, stop hyperventilating like a 17 year old who just discovered politics and actually fucking read my posts you mud slinging fanatic.




ahh and the guy who tried to have me banned on multiple forums chimes in..knowing he has me on ignore and lacks the balls to debate me directly so he cheap shots me.

Go back to Whitehall Bacle, you're basically a beaten spouse justifying your abusers at this point...fucking Cornudo repunante. View attachment 555


Notice how all the vultures circle me? And look how dishonest what that miserable eunuch bacle and this guy are doing.

When a severe schizophrenic who is beyond the capacity of modern medicine to bring to a position where she can live safely on her own..gets pregnant and is committed her child is taken from her.

What I'm proposing is no different than that..its a literal aspect of mental health holds

But yeah don't let that stop them from casting me as a Nazi, fucking filthy , disingenous vermin.

Okay, you have a good point about what he is doing.

Also, Bacle makes some good point in defence of LGB. You shouldn't be so harsh on him

 

[Bacle]

Okay, you have a good point about what he is doing.

Also, Bacle makes some good point in defence of LGB. You shouldn't be so harsh on him

Let me guess, Immortal is bitching about my reply to Largo, isn't he?

Or is he going on another personal attack tirade?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Okay, you have a good point about what he is doing.

Also, Bacle makes some good point in defence of LGB. You shouldn't be so harsh on him

I generally agree with him that it's absolutely stupid to discount the LGB from the right. I honestly have absolutely no problem with any gay or lesbina or bisexual or hell even someone who detransitioned being on "my side"

I want a rainbow coalition..Hell we're both technically part of said rainbow coalition.

What I am saying, is that if you're a religious conservative and are serious about being one. Then Bacle, myself and probably you would be seen as a "part of the problem" for having that view and that it behooves Bacle and co to understand that when debating them.

I'm not taking a position against the LGB...I do think they should get married, I just think it should be up to local churches and Governors not the Federal Government. But that's just because I hate central authority. But I am taking the position that these guys have no idea what they're doing when they debate Fried and because of that they're making his points for him and in doing so, arguing with themselves and not really him.

My point about trans people is that they're subjected to a carnival of horrors and its a profound tragedy that we are told we have to accept that or else and literally any attempts at medical research to "treat" them ethically and humanely like you would any other chronic illness...is met with violent opposition.

Let me guess, Immortal is bitching about my reply to Largo, isn't he?

Or is he going on another personal attack tirade?

Grab the empty space between your legs and find out you miserable castrato


edit- You know the part that makes them accusing me of wanting to perpetrate a holocaust against trannies so funny? The guy Biden picked as HHS secretary literally said he wants to imprison people who are deemed "transphobic" in mental hospitals at gun point and that wellness checks and Baker Act type shit in response to "transphobic statements" will become the norm.

You're hyperventilating because I want them to get help and the Biden Administration is literally pursuing a policy of putting people who question troon doctrine in a position of being killed by cops over a mental health beef...

You people are farcical.

They want us dead....And you strawman me?! I swear if I get banned over their fucking lies about me, those two shitheels better join me.

 

[Zachowon]

Let me guess, Immortal is bitching about my reply to Largo, isn't he?

Or is he going on another personal attack tirade?

Somewhat, he says he agrees with you on the LGB issue, but his T issue is diffrent from yours

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Strawmanning invalids.

I'd be less pissed if it was any other clique of swamp creatures and any other issue. But it's tedious to be making an argument based off wanting to preserve life and treat the sick and to have it equated with caricatures of long dead neopagans.

 

[Largo]

What he's doing is an old and pathetic tactic used to equate people who think the way these people are treated (Ie enabling a profoundly severe mental condition) with Hitler. It's pearl clutching at its finest and he probably report spammed me to the staff babbling about how I'm talking about violating the constitution or someshit in a desperate hope to get my account nuked.

It's dishonest and its hysterical in the classic mania related sense of the word.

I also find it ironic that a guy with a William Sherman avatar would pursue this avenue considering the bastard wanted to round up and exterminate all Black Americans both Hitler and Hydrich cited the dude when they babbled about the "final solution"

I don't even know you, aside from the fact that you clearly think you're much more important than you are.

But yes, I do find what you're doing to be unconstitutional. You can say you think they're victims as much as you like, but actions matter more than words. And in general, we do not take victims, or really Americans in general, and make them outcasts from society unable to participate in normal life in any meaningful capacity without a trial. If you're going to shunt them to the woods or under a bridge, you might as well throw them in jail.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I don't even know you, aside from the fact that you clearly think you're much more important than you are.

It's funny all the irrelevant people make this same attack thinking my ego is fragile enough to bruise when I'm the first guy saying I'm just a fuck'n screen name and that's it

But yes, I do find what you're doing to be unconstitutional. You can say you think they're victims as much as you like, but actions matter more than words. And in general, we do not take victims, or really Americans in general, and make them outcasts from society unable to participate in normal life in any meaningful capacity without a trial. If you're going to shunt them to the woods or under a bridge, you might as well throw them in jail.

Uh huh...that's why psyche wards exist, psychiatric hospitals exist, homes for the mentally disabled exist and the most severe cases of either are not granted custody of their children, or if they are in a diminished capacity.

I would also point out...Most groups of people mistreated by the system didn't commit CSA and or are implicated in improper conduct with minors/grooming in the eightieth percentile.

In other words, I'm right and you're out here tilting at windmills and wasting my time.

 

[Bacle]

Somewhat, he says he agrees with you on the LGB issue, but his T issue is diffrent from yours

The T's have made a lot of enemies for a lot of reasons.

They've become obsessed with 'gender theory' and used it to supplant both sexual orientation and biological sex in legal and political circles.

The Ts act like lying about what equipment they were born with is somehow noble and righteous, while LGBs don't pretend to have different equipment than they were born with.

And Ts...some only do it to compete in women's sports to get awards they couldn't get in men's sports, some do it so they can 'use' the woman's restrooms/lockerrooms with impunity and peep on them in there, and some do it because it's trendy.

There are a few genuine Ts out there, the ones we use to just label some vareity of hermaphrodite, and they are harmless for the most part, except when they decide to use their T status to demand certain...behaviors from their partners.

 

[Zachowon]

The T's have made a lot of enemies for a lot of reasons.

They've become obsessed with 'gender theory' and used it to supplant both sexual orientation and biological sex in legal and political circles.

The Ts act like lying about what equipment they were born with is somehow noble and righteous, while LGBs don't pretend to have different equipment than they were born with.

And Ts...some only do it to compete in women's sports to get awards they couldn't get in men's sports, some do it so they can 'use' the woman's restrooms/lockerrooms with impunity and peep on them in there, and some do it because it's trendy.

There are a few genuine Ts out there, the ones we use to just label some vareity of hermaphrodite, and they are harmless for the most part, except when they decide to use their T status to demand certain...behaviors from their partners.

I think we should separate the large amounts Ts from those that fully change thier gender stuff