LordsFire
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I'm curious, do you not understand what 'The Word of God' means to a Christian?
LGBT and the US Conservative Movement
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I'm curious, do you not understand what 'The Word of God' means to a Christian?
What popular appeal does this view have among moderates and right wingers? I know its your personal opinion on that issue, but its its supposed to be the best option, i would expect it to have a huge one. If its just a minor faction, well, there goes your argument.
Or take old polish approach - old Poland do not cared about pederast or lesbians,as long as they were adults.
Well,rich magnate with private army could rape girls if he wonted,so pederast magnate could rape boys.
That kind of behaviour i would not advocate - it ended poor for our state./for those who do not knew - we cease to exist/
Doomsought
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No, that is stupid. The biggest problem with the right wing is that we hid out extremists and let the Left wing tug at the overton window. What the right needs to do is promote christian conservatives, and tell everyone "No, these are the actual far right" while reminding anyone that is pro-LGB and anyone who is trans tolerant that they are the moderates.
Appeals to moderates win more elections, when the ballot box is trustworthy, that appeals to fringes.
The Right needs to stop trying to act like going after LGBs, for what mostly amounts to either religious reasoning or just 'yuck' factor, helps them in anyway.
What they need to do is learn to pushing back against T shit like bathroom bills, sex changes for minors, and taxpayers funds used for any of it (which a surprising amount of conservative-symathetic LGBs would probably be fine with, as long as you are not trying to force them back into the closet).
However when people on the Right think that going after LGBs, in addition to Ts, will help them in any way shape or form...those people either idiots, or just wanted the Right to cater to a very limited set of people in the US; followers of Nick Fuentes are a good example of the idiots trying to limit the Rights appeal because they want to revert to the 1950's.
I've said this before and I'll say it again.
The right can pragmatically accept the Gs the Ls and the Bs.
We should militantly reject everyone else and aggressively run Groomer meme style commercials into the homes of middle America because so far the left has been able to obtain soccer mom votes by duping them into thinking those people don't go after children but they always do.
Use it, make middle America afraid again.
It doesn't, moderates all over the US are openly turning on things like CRT and LGBT acceptance is trending downwards for the first time in decades because of Groomer culture.
There's no logical reason to preach tolerance anymore.
Turns out immigrants are prejudiced as hell and opposing the alphabet soup in the name of protecting kids plays real well with the Latin and Near Eastern voters
The right can pragmatically accept the Gs the Ls and the Bs.
We should militantly reject everyone else and aggressively run Groomer meme style commercials into the homes of middle America because so far the left has been able to obtain soccer mom votes by duping them into thinking those people don't go after children but they always do.
Use it, make middle America afraid again.
It doesn't, moderates all over the US are openly turning on things like CRT and LGBT acceptance is trending downwards for the first time in decades because of Groomer culture.
There's no logical reason to preach tolerance anymore.
Turns out immigrants are prejudiced as hell and opposing the alphabet soup in the name of protecting kids plays real well with the Latin and Near Eastern voters
King Arts
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I have a question Bacle what good does bringing lgbs into the right do? Yes in current America the moderates support them but taking in too many interests dilutes us and makes us weaker and no different than the left. What I mean by weaker is that it would prevent us from allying with foreign nations. For example the US public would not tolerate America allying with literal Nazis people that want to exterminate Jews, or segregationists or slavers. That means if we needed a proxy in Africa people would not tolerate us allying with Apartheid South Africa because it suits our interests. After all why would black conservatives want to be friendly to those who are hurting those like them? So if we bring in gays that means another group we will not be friendly with nations that kill or oppress lgbt. So if for example we wanted to weaken the EU which could be good for American hegemony we can’t use the issue of Poland and Hungary by supporting them against Germany and the EU since we would be on the EUs side of forcing globohomo. So Poland and Hungary might look to China as a client.
Demographically, vast majority of the LGBs are onboard with the LGBT movement.
Very few people care about the line you want to turn into the frontline.
"Bake the cake, bigot" laws, rainbow flag spam, LGBT "educators" being invited by state institutions and such also need to go. Long story short, the whole movement and its subculture need to be separated from the civil society and the government.
Let's be honest, the people who push this sort of activism are exactly the same people as the vanguard of the T push. You effectively cannot target one but not the other.
The problem is not that they are going after them, its that they are designating their target too aggressively, in turn allowing their enemies to call back to old memes about crazy fundamentalists of ages past.
While the real problem is not what homosexuals do in the privacy of their bedrooms (as long as they do it with adults and don't demand special relief for healthcare costs steming from it), but what they do outside of it, in the media, schools, NGOs, courts, political activities and so on.
The second you used the word 'globohomo' I stopped taking anything you said seriously at all.
LGBs are part of the political equation and voting population in the US, whether parts of the fringe Right like it or not, and you do not win elections by driving away swing voters.
Just because someone is LGB does not mean they cannot also support a lot of other positions/policies of the Right, such as pro-Life stuff, border security, reshoring jobs, reducing gov pork/waste, and others.
If fewer LGBs felt like any pushback against Ts would just open the door for old style attacks on LGBs by people, particularly with parts of the Right still wanting to undue same-sex marriage helping to justify those fears, maybe more would see things how I do.
Of course if the Right just wants to alienate swing voters and Independents to satisfy parts of the fringe, then do not complain when the Left is able to undo all the ground gained with LGBs by people like Trump.
Also, 2nd Amendment issues matter a lot to LGBs, because gays with guns get bashed a lot less.
Maybe trying to work with them on protecting things that are valued by straight and homosexual alike, instead of trying to continue to keep the LGBs from making political inroads with the Right, would be a more useful way for people to act, unless they just are looking to stroke their own anti-LGB boner and want to get cheered on by a shrinking crowd.
The thing is, many of the people that push for these aren't even LGBT, they are 'allies', doing performative wokeness.
Most LGBTs aren't activists. They just want to live their life, and are overshadowed by the loud minority. Oh, sure, they'll show up to a pride parade, but that's about it. Sexuality doesn't define them. And we can see this because they are increasingly voting rightwing now that their rights aren't at risk. Trump got the highest Republican presidential percentage of LGBT votes (going about 30:60 Trump:Biden (lots of third party votes)) since 2000. If you want to make gays an issue again, it's a) hard to do, as a majority of Republicans support gay marriage, and b) doesn't get you anything other than the alienation of gay voters, the religious ones were already going to vote R cause of abortion.
And speaking of abortion, guess who has the least amount of abortions? The gays. Honestly, I don't see why we don't get along.
King Arts
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I’ve heard other people on this site even use that term. Also what else is a short hand for globalist organizations that push lgbt and anti nationalist and anti Christian rhetoric?
And yes gay people exist but hopefully the moderates will see that by supporting them our nation will lose out to China and then will do the smart thing and marginalize lgbt people instead of going full globalist leftist and helping the EU and going “Accept gays you bigots!” At Eastern Europeans. Like it’s unlikely it if Eastern Europe actually went back to and became Russia. Satellite states I’d laugh. At that point if that happened would you actually say maybe we should throw away the gays? Or are you ok with Hungary going in Chinas camp?
As someone who is a bisexual, fuck you for thinking the opinions of foreigners on US LGB politics means a damn thing, or should matter more than the votes of people like me.
King Arts
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No the opinions of foreigners on US domestic politics don’t matter at all. The US isn’t a vassal state, however their opinion on the US and other western euros trying to export lgbt ideology is. It limits opportunities and will make us do stupid shit because the idiot voters think it’s the right thing. There is such a thing as not antagonizing junior allies/ satellites. You don’t have to share their beliefs but you have to allow them to have their beliefs and not interfere.
You are a minority in that, literally two thirds of the voting base believes that to be a real threat hell black america was the originator of that conspiracy theory and its loudest proponents were the NOI and MLk...be less arrogant Bacle, you increasingly speak for fewer and fewer people as the nation moves closer to a far right position
You are 2.7% of the population.
Your vote and the vote of your entire demographic alone outside of a coalition doesn't matter.
Literally.
The right profits nothing by courting you, accept it as an act of magnanimity or shut the fuck up.
It's to the point where you can guess the orientation of the pedophile arrested and be correct 60% of the time.
There was always a tiny but incredibly vocal and very wealthy group of upper middle class and upper class gay men who supported Reagan and Nixon and were vocal in the conservative movement.
The problem is their successors turned out to be a bunch of neocons so that ruined their powerbase
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See, they can have their beliefs, IN THEIR COUNTRY.
Saying we should marginalize LGBs here, to make it easier to influence Eastern Europe, just shows why a lot of LGB people will not even trying to keep an open mind about the Right.
It helps keep the image of the American Right as the American Taliban alive, and reminds LGBs that Trump was an aberration in Right wing LGB politics, because of lot of the old base of the Right want to shove us back in the closet and undo same-sex marriage.
Embracing the politics you want would be a good way to make people like me stop supporting the Right at all, even if the Left is insane. Because we always have the option of voting third party, or not voting at all, if the Right is going to backslide on LGB stuff.
We would lose nothing by losing your support. You constantly undermine our interests.
That you could compare the religious right to the Taliban at all proves my point.
That you could compare the religious right to the Taliban at all proves my point.
Which is very little ground as far as i know, in terms of numbers, as opposed to impressions.
Here's an idea - if LGBs want to make political inroads with the right as patriots and citizens, while tastefully keeping their private life out of it, great. If they can manage that, in long term that will also improve the attitudes towards t hem on the right.
But there is no demand for an open alphabet soup lobby on the right like the one on the left, even for a soup that contains less alphabet.
Most of any demographic aren't activists, but the point stands, as you admit - the 2 to 1 skew in in favor of democrat vote, even when GOP had a not so religious right candidate, says everything i would need to say. That's about as bad as the Hispanic vote, if not worse, while being a far smaller group of voters.
DarthOne
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The thing is @Bacle, a large portion of the right and moderates are going ‘we tried doing things your way, and look what a mess it’s made of the country!’
You want people to stop lumping in the LGB’s with the worse of their worse? Then you people need to get off up their butts and push back at all the wacky, crazy disgusting stuff that is being trotted around in your name.
Because people are running out of patience, fast.
You want people to stop lumping in the LGB’s with the worse of their worse? Then you people need to get off up their butts and push back at all the wacky, crazy disgusting stuff that is being trotted around in your name.
Because people are running out of patience, fast.
You two act as though the Right as the power to demand anything of LGBs who want to support it when they see how crazy the Left has gotten.
The Right needs LGB votes, and the votes of those who support LGBs; thus, telling us to 'be quiet and don't mention our private lives' is just telling us the Right wants our votes, but not our voices.
The Right is in no position to dictate anything to LGBs who chose to support it, and should be grateful any of them do.