gral
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See, I can relate to that. It's a better reason than all the ones used to support this sort of thing.
Leftist Child Grooming
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Brother shit is going to get weird populist uprisings are alliances between everyone who got fucked over by the establishment.
Be prepared to share a foxhole with jocks furriest weebs the religious right and trade bros.
DarthOne
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Considering how degenerate most furries lean, I doubt we'll get many on our side. And those that are will likely be neo-nazi furries. Yes, those exist.
DarthOne
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No way in hell am I fighting along side nazi furries
Sobek
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As a scalie a whole lot of furries fall on the libertarian side. The issue is that the retards and degenerates are very loud. If they are willing to publically out themselves as a furry (as in, actually link IRL and Furry identity) then the chances of sanity drop massivelly.
Typhonis
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Looking at that flag....let them fly it. It will piss the Nazi's off.
DarthOne
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You do realize that not an actual trans flag, merely four of them arranged to look like one with a swastika?
That said, one made to look like that would be an effective form of mockery. All I know is, if it makes the groomers and the neo nazis pissed off I'm all for it.
I think it would depend what the other side was like...
DarthOne
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No. It doesn’t. At best I’d only use them and any other racial supremacists as cannon fodder.
Sounds like a great way to get fragged and deserteurs.
DarthOne
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Who says I'd tell them that's what I was doing? Or that they'd know? Fog of war is a thing after all.
Also, who the hell would they defect to? The left? Assuming they don't manage to give themselves away, 'accidentally' letting the information slip into the hands of the left that there's a bunch of 'criminals' who deserted to avoid trial or something will have the left do the work for us.
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They aren't idiots, and such a gambit is older than civilization. It is such a common ploy as to show up in all sorts of myth and legend and in the holy books. They'll be able to piece it together and so will others, and they will be pissed and then talk to other allies that are on the outside and will go, "See, this is what they do to their own allies over petty political disagreements. Once they remove us, they will remove you." And people in general will be disgusted when they notice, and thus they can talk to them and build their own bloc and leverage it to seize power. And people will fear for their lives when they realize you are willing to do it to them, if you are willing to do it to one ally
Again, you are assuming they don't try a coup, defect to a third party, simply leave or form their own faction. And, again, people will notice and will become fearful. For this is the sort of tactic that one who wants to seize power and betray their allies uses, the sort of tactic that an aspirant dictator uses or someone who wants all the power to themselves. The sort of tactic employed by someone willing to use other human beings as tools for their own enrichment. Also, I am pretty sure it is old hat for the communists as well.
So, not only will you have antagonized someone who would be your ally against you- you have give them the moral high-ground by betraying them. Or at least the perception of one. Rather than honoring a truce to fight against a common foe, you want to abuse the flag of peace, the breaking of bread, the concept of hospitality (for they are under the same roof as you) to dispose of them, so you will not have to deal with them later- even if they are willing to continue after the fight is won.
Why would anyone then trust you or your faction, or even abide by them ruling? If they will betray their own allies at the drop of a hat?
DarthOne
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On the grounds that they’re god damn nazis and we don’t need or want their filth.
"They are subhuman, therefore we are justified in exterminating them!"
That's your reasoning in essence? This justifies throwing pretenses of allieship overboard?
Man, I'd hate to have you on my side, if only because I won't know when you will decide I and my faction needs to go.
DarthOne
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My standards of what qualifies as ‘subhumans’ (thanks for putting words in my mouth) is rather high. As in, only the worse scum or most heinous beliefs quality.
On a related note, I didn’t advocate ‘exterminating’ them. That would involve hunting down every neo-nazi and killing them.
Furthermore, I’d postulate that whilethe right needs allies, I’d say we can do much, much better then neo-Nazis. Not only would having them in our ranks hurt our cause much more then help it*, more likely then not they’d try to backstab us when we don’t allow their twisted vision of what the USA should be to come to pass. Or at the least taint efforts to rebuildor en act new laws.
* it’d be a huge propaganda victory for the other side, it’d erode support for us among the common people and within the rank. Neo Nazis would cause all sorts of discord in the ranks as their beliefs made them clashed with other people. Plus, if allowed anything close to a lack of supervision, they’d undoubtedly start some adhock ethnic cleansing. Which would only increase the issues mentioned above.
On the grounds that you disagree or disapprove of someone's politics you'd backstab them. So what is to stop you from doing it to other allies on those grounds? And I am going to put this bluntly, you are sounding like a leftist right now (this is exactly what a leftist would do). This is the sort of thing the communists did, they did it to the Socialist Revolutionaries and their other allies during the Russian revolution. They did it during the Spanish Civil War. And in many more places.
Think about it this way, though morality is universal (or should be)- everyone has their own take on it. It doesn't matter if you are correct about them, there are good reasons for not doing this (besides not acting in an immoral manner). That this opens you up to attack. Because, for one people will see you as the worst scum for doing this and thus follow your precedent, or two, because people have differing beliefs and there are people who find your beliefs abhorrent, would you want someone else to do it to you, or set the precedent that they can do to you what you have done to others. You are forgetting the Golden and Silver Rules, you want to treat other people in a manner in which you do not want to be treated and if the roles were reversed you would not at all accept your own reasoning for why you are treated this way.
You just advocated for breaking trust, betrayal, oathbreaking, a particular form of murder... It is what tvtropes calls a "Uriah Gambit". And you are saying it would be alright, because it is the correct class of person. It is alright when we do it to them, you say. Yeah, no. Morality is universal, and doesn't bend to your wants. If it is incorrect to do it to one person or kind, it is incorrect to do it to another. And, as Unabrask said, if you are willing to do it to one group, who isn't to say you aren't going to start expanding the list? After all, this is exactly how it happened in the past. But, yes, you don't want to exterminate a group of people, you just want to send them to their deaths in the scenario you have power over them. As I said, you are forgetting important foundational rules of morality. You cannot pick or choose who morality applies to, it either has to be universal or it has to be absolute (or both), or otherwise it is not morality.
So backstab people, so they don't backstab you first. Yeah no, that isn't how it works. And really I don't think there are enough of them to matter anyways, and I don't think the common people are going to care much about one side having some bad people, when the other side has even more. And if you want to avoid them creating issues, you break them up into smaller units and then work on integrating them into the war effort.
Anyways, I certainly hope that things don't go insane and then boil over into civil war. Because, one civil wars are bad and I for some reason I still hold out hope for things to be resolved politically, and two I don't want to side with Nazi Furries either. Nazis and Furries are bad enough as it as, but Nazi Furries? That is even worse. I can't imagine what would happen when they face the Communist Furries, probably something horrifying.
And, really, I find it vexxing that I need to tell people that moral consideration applies to everyone- even people we dislike and remind people that the Golden and Silver Rules still applies to Nazi Furries, even though they are a) Nazis and b) Furries. If we are making exceptions to morality, then we are falling to the same trap as the left. "It is alright if we do it", "It is alright if it is done to the right person", and so on.
I am pretty sure we are derailing the thread, and I probably should have thought about that first.
Anyways, I guess to make my post more relevant to the actual topic. I guess that when pursuing justice against groomers that we cannot forget basic morality? And that sometimes we need to have odd allies (hopefully not Nazi Furries).
DarthOne explicitly stated he'd use factions he doesn't like as cannonfodder while concealing that fact as long as possible. Read the texts.
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