Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Thread

[prinCZess]

I don't share the impulse/idea to destroy the thing, but can certainly see and understand why someone would. A personal reminder of your own survival (and its cost) would be wrapped up in the rifle coming out of that whole shitshow, and that has something of an emotional value...But, then, the gun you literally killed people with is a bit...stark...as a reminder and is also a fricken' huge emotional burden (and even more so thanks to the absolute public spectacle the situation and trial turned into).

You could argue about how much processing and dealing with trauma has occurred if a reminder is so painful you can't bear it, but the opposing argument there could easily focus on how much healthier it is to build out from your life itself as the thing you walk away from the whole shitshow with and, again, the gun you killed with is an incredibly head-screwing piece of physical, emotional baggage to have around you.

 

[Abhorsen]

That rifle belongs to our people. It should not be destroyed.

"Our people" is commie bullshit at best. It belongs to Rittenhouse alone, for him to do whatever he wants with it.

 

[Zachowon]

That rifle belongs to our people. It should not be destroyed.

Our people?
Sounds commie.
It is his weapon. He can di what he wants. He has PTSD, why would he want to have the reminder of that night?
He wants to get rid of it so neither side can use it as well

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Its not communist thinking to recognize that we are part of a tribe that cannot cohabitate with another tribe that wants us destroyed.

It is not commie bullshit to recognize that the right is a confederation of said tribes fighting for their very lives.

Lolberts and rinos need to chill with that "we can't organize, we can't think of each other as part of a wolf pack" nonsense. Rugged individualism is about men standing united together for the greater threats while overcoming adversity and localized hardships alone.

 

[Zachowon]

Its not communist thinking to recognize that we are part of a tribe that cannot cohabitate with another tribe that wants us destroyed.

It is not commie bullshit to recognize that the right is a confederation of said tribes fighting for their very lives.

Lolberts and rinos need to chill with that "we can't organize, we can't think of each other as part of a wolf pack" nonsense. Rugged individualism is about men standing united together for the greater threats while overcoming adversity and localized hardships alone.

We are independent people who think k what we want.
We are not a group think.
THAT is what makes us better and not commies

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

We are independent people who think k what we want.
We are not a group think.
THAT is what makes us better and not commies

Recognizing that you are part of a pack does not make you less of an individual if anything it should force you to be even more assertive as you are now not only competing against the enemy but in friendly competition with your brothers.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

"Our people" is commie bullshit at best. It belongs to Rittenhouse alone, for him to do whatever he wants with it.

Our people?
Sounds commie.
It is his weapon. He can di what he wants. He has PTSD, why would he want to have the reminder of that night?
He wants to get rid of it so neither side can use it as well

It is no longer a rifle, it is a symbol, a sign that our side can and should fight back against those that seek to do us harm.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Which is why I said I'm sympathetic to both sides of the argument. It is a symbol whether any of us or Rittenhouse himself thinks it ought to be or not.

But for an eighteen year old kid with demons its an unpleasant reminder of a night that very nearly destroyed his entire family and changed him forever.

Edit- also it's his property so lol.

 

[Bacle]

When did Rittenhouse's rifle, instead of Rittenhouse himself, become the symbol?

Because till that article was posted, I hadn't heard a peep about the gun after the trial.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

When did Rittenhouse's rifle, instead of Rittenhouse himself, become the symbol?

Because till that article was posted, I hadn't heard a peep about the gun after the trial.

For the same reason Jim Bowie's knife is as famous as Bowie himself if not more so.

And because a bunch of moronic soccer moms spent the last half decade demonizing a glorified varmint gun...so people instinctively defend the AR as ardently as Rittenhouse.

 

[Bacle]

For the same reason Jim Bowie's knife is as famous as Bowie himself if not more so.

And because a bunch of moronic soccer moms spent the last half decade demonizing a glorified varmint gun...so people instinctively defend the AR as ardently as Rittenhouse.

I think you are overstretching on how many people are actual interested in the fate of that gun.

Yes, soccermom's have been going hard against the 2nd Amendment since Columbine, but this particular gun barely registers on anyone's scopes, compared to the person who wielded it.

I had not even seen any mentions of it on Twitter, even among those who tracked the court case religiously.

Outside of this thread, I hadn't even seen any news regarding the gun or it's fate.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, wasn't the gun actually owned by someone else, who let Kyle use it that night. I mean that was why the judge tossed the 'bringing a gun across state lines' charge and didn't even let it get to the jury.

 

[Zachowon]

Recognizing that you are part of a pack does not make you less of an individual if anything it should force you to be even more assertive as you are now not only competing against the enemy but in friendly competition with your brothers.

Say we as a group.
Not Our.
Differentiate between the two.
We are still individuals not a group think mind.
We have our own ideals. We sre not all NPCs like the others are.
We should never use Our.

It is no longer a rifle, it is a symbol, a sign that our side can and should fight back against those that seek to do us harm.

It also brings the kid PTSD and is his weapon.
It is an object. The ideal has been shown with the court cases. There is countless footage.
Why use a single object that means nothing when the man who did it is alive to tell the tale?

And it is also his and he can do what ever he wants.

 

[Typhonis]

Um wasn't that rifle loaned to Rittenhouse?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Um wasn't that rifle loaned to Rittenhouse?

No, it was his

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Um wasn't that rifle loaned to Rittenhouse?

No, it was his

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ok, the title holder was Dominic Black, the gun was purchased with money given to Black by Kyle on the understanding that when Kyle was 18 Dominic would give Rittenhouse the gun.

So like... yes and no.

It's worth noting, it was legally important that Kyle did NOT own the gun in the case.

 

[Sailor.X]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ok, the title holder was Dominic Black, the gun was purchased with money given to Black by Kyle on the understanding that when Kyle was 18 Dominic would give Rittenhouse the gun.

So like... yes and no.

It's worth noting, it was legally important that Kyle did NOT own the gun in the case.

That sounds like a Straw Purchase. A person can buy you a gun with their own money and give it to you as a gift. But if you hand them money to buy you a gun and you don't do a background check yourself. That is illegal as hell. At least in SC.

 

[Bacle]

That sounds like a Straw Purchase. A person can buy you a gun with their own money and give it to you as a gift. But if you hand them money to buy you a gun and you don't do a background check yourself. That is illegal as hell. At least in SC.

I think him being a minor is what changes it.

The gun was bought with the intention to give it to him when he was legally of age, and was not held in his own house or home, but at the purchasers home.

Rittenhouse was legally able to use the gun due to state laws, but was not old enough to buy it himself.

 

[Captain X]

In my state, long guns can be given to minors as gifts.

 

[Robovski]

I think he should be able to do what he wants with his property. It's his to destroy.

 

[Abhorsen]

It is no longer a rifle, it is a symbol, a sign that our side can and should fight back against those that seek to do us harm.

It may be a symbol, but that does not mean you, or a group of people, suddenly gain a right to it. It's owned by Rittenhouse, not you. This disrespect for other people's private property is the core of communism.

If you want it, pay him for it. If he won't sell, tough.

Its not communist thinking to recognize that we are part of a tribe that cannot cohabitate with another tribe that wants us destroyed.

The communist part isn't the tribalism, it's the claims of collective ownership over something that isn't yours.