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[Sailor.X]

It does quite literally none of that if all you're doing is importing people.



This is propaganda

Still got money while a person who was almost murdered did not.

 

[strunkenwhite]

It does quite literally none of that if all you're doing is importing people.

How not, if you are importing people of different cultures and integrating them into society?

 

[Vyor]

Still got money while a person who was almost murdered did not.

She had to go to the hospital for nerve damage.

How not, if you are importing people of different cultures and integrating them into society?

Because the bolded doesn't happen.

 

[Bacle]

Still got money while a person who was almost murdered did not.

3rd degree burns and the life long care they often require tend to cost a bit of cash, yes.

 

[Blasterbot]

Also McDonalds was purposefully keeping the Coffee at a Dangerously hot level even though they had complaints and other cases of people being burned though not as badly. So they got slapped as hard as they could be when the lawsuit got put in front of a judge and jury. because it wasn't a mistake.

 

[Bacle]

Also McDonalds was purposefully keeping the Coffee at a Dangerously hot level even though they had complaints and other cases of people being burned though not as badly. So they got slapped as hard as they could be when the lawsuit got put in front of a judge and jury. because it wasn't a mistake.

It was done to keep the coffee drinkable and prevent it from getting too bitter, and was a lazy stop-gap to just making more pots of coffee.

But Boomers like @Sailor.X are often those mostly likely to still believe it was a completely frivolous lawsuit and not care to hear details that might show they were wrong in public.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Because the bolded doesn't happen.

Aren't you assuming the conclusion there?

 

[Vyor]

Aren't you assuming the conclusion there?

No, I'm seeing the reality. See: literally every mass importation ever

 

[Sailor.X]

She had to go to the hospital for nerve damage.


Because the bolded doesn't happen.

The two surviving victims almost died to literally aerial bombing of their neighborhood. As in barely got out alive.

 

[Vyor]

The two surviving victims almost died to literally aerial bombing of their neighborhood. As in barely got out alive.

Yes, yes they did. That did, in fact, happen.

Now, in what world are those two different tragedies comparable? Why is one worse than the other?

 

[Bacle]

 

[StormEagle]

Needs more barbed wire and lasers.

 

[Sailor.X]

Yes, yes they did. That did, in fact, happen.

Now, in what world are those two different tragedies comparable? Why is one worse than the other?

My point is one got paid. And one they move Heaven and Earth not to pay. Look up the past history of the Oklahoma Court System for the past 30 years. It will make you angry.

 

[mrttao]

Off the top of my head, diversity reduces problems like groupthink and provides a broader base of ideas that are drawn upon when innovating or problem solving or, perhaps especially, storytelling. It may also ameliorate overcompetition for high status positions and undercompetition for low status positions, since different groups may have different views of what positions those are.

> Diversity. Noun. People who look differently but think exactly the same.

 

[mrttao]

It was done to keep the coffee drinkable and prevent it from getting too bitter, and was a lazy stop-gap to just making more pots of coffee.

But Boomers like @Sailor.X are often those mostly likely to still believe it was a completely frivolous lawsuit and not care to hear details that might show they were wrong in public.

I find it highly doubtful sailorX is a boomer.
The boomers generation are those born from 1940 to 1950
which would put him at 75 to 85 years old

 

[Marduk]

Off the top of my head, diversity reduces problems like groupthink and provides a broader base of ideas that are drawn upon when innovating or problem solving or, perhaps especially, storytelling. It may also ameliorate overcompetition for high status positions and undercompetition for low status positions, since different groups may have different views of what positions those are.

That's diversity of thought, not diversity of identity.
You get more diversity of thought when you put a white male skinhead, white male libertarian science nerd and a white male liberal weeb, than if you get 3 uniformly indoctrinated progressives of different races and sexual identities.
And that's not even getting into one very ignored problem with that - in some problems, you absolutely may not want the input from certain identities for various reasons. Say, are you sure you want crazy green nutjobs when running your power company and they care more about the cause of people who want your company gone than about your company making money?
Or going with the above example, we also know what happens when you get the "diverse but uniformly thinking" people writing your stories. They may write stories that are different in some ways, but also uniform in the point that they are unplatable to people who are not zealous progressives, and somehow no amount of perfect checkbox diversity protects them from that.

Also no group is very confused about what positions are hi status. No one is going to think that CEOs and managers are low status and janitors are high status.

 

[Vyor]

My point is one got paid. And one they move Heaven and Earth not to pay. Look up the past history of the Oklahoma Court System for the past 30 years. It will make you angry.

Yeah, and one had the entire media and congressional candidates demonizing the victim while the other received national sympathy.

 

[strunkenwhite]

No, I'm seeing the reality. See: literally every mass importation ever

You take the position that the Irish-American flood never integrated?

> Diversity. Noun. People who look differently but think exactly the same.

If that were the case, what would be the problem with importing them?

I find it highly doubtful sailorX is a boomer.
The boomers generation are those born from 1940 to 1950
which would put him at 75 to 85 years old

I believe boomers are usually defined as being born 1946-64 (a longer generation than usual but that's what I see most often) and being on the older end of that spectrum would if I'm not mistaken put him at a good age to the the original Star Trek's original audience. And I'm not a hardcore Trekkie but I have a pretty strong feeling that's what his avatar is from.

That's diversity of thought, not diversity of identity.
You get more diversity of thought when you put a white male skinhead, white male libertarian science nerd and a white male liberal weeb, than if you get 3 uniformly indoctrinated progressives of different races and sexual identities.
And that's not even getting into one very ignored problem with that - in some problems, you absolutely may not want the input from certain identities for various reasons. Say, are you sure you want crazy green nutjobs when running your power company and they care more about the cause of people who want your company gone than about your company making money?
Or going with the above example, we also know what happens when you get the "diverse but uniformly thinking" people writing your stories. They may write stories that are different in some ways, but also uniform in the point that they are unplatable to people who are not zealous progressives, and somehow no amount of perfect checkbox diversity protects them from that.

Also no group is very confused about what positions are hi status. No one is going to think that CEOs and managers are low status and janitors are high status.

I feel like the topic is drifting considering how Aldarion was focused on railing against the intermixing of cultures, not races, if I'm not mistaken. To posit a high level of immigration but exclusively from culturally identical populations seems both unlikely and unhelpful.

But to quickly address a couple of those concerns:
Getting input from all sides doesn't mean taking orders from all sides. A green nut in a power company may be ignored when he recommends to shut down coal plants (or nuclear plants) but he's likely got his ear to the ground in places coal or nuke boosters don't for potential technological improvements in certain sectors.

I agree that most cultures wouldn't sneer at managers or bow down to janitors, but I am pretty sure there are cultures where janitors aren't sneered at and managers aren't bowed down to (at least as much as other jobs that are more scorned or admired respectively). What is the relative differential in respect given to doctors, engineers, and mechanics?

 

[Marduk]

I feel like the topic is drifting considering how Aldarion was focused on railing against the intermixing of cultures, not races, if I'm not mistaken. To posit a high level of immigration but exclusively from culturally identical populations seems both unlikely and unhelpful.

Yet some cultures are indeed more similar than others, and some cultures, even if not similar are more potentially useful, and some quite the opposite.

But to quickly address a couple of those concerns:
Getting input from all sides doesn't mean taking orders from all sides. A green nut in a power company may be ignored when he recommends to shut down coal plants (or nuclear plants) but he's likely got his ear to the ground in places coal or nuke boosters don't for potential technological improvements in certain sectors.

Does he? It's an article of faith. Is his presence worth that small chance, weighted against obvious not so small chance he will cause trouble with politics, leaking secrets, sabotage for his cause?
Reason dictates that such chances are weighted and decisions are made of them, not that "diversity" is pursued as an article of faith in even the smallest and unlikeliest benefit outweighting all concerns.

I agree that most cultures wouldn't sneer at managers or bow down to janitors, but I am pretty sure there are cultures where janitors aren't sneered at and managers aren't bowed down to (at least as much as other jobs that are more scorned or admired respectively). What is the relative differential in respect given to doctors, engineers, and mechanics?

Where are these cultures, and why would people migrate away from them en masse?
We're not talking pure hypotheticals here...
Let's be realistic, most of the world's mass migration potential is from poorly developed tribal and clannish cultures, not from some oddities like that.
More likely you are going to get a culture where managers and doctors aren't bowed to... because fanatical religious terrorists and crazy preachers are, which by all accounts makes for a worse problem...
In fact one of reasons why migration is such a problem is that most of it currently is not driven by some completely random events driving out completely random people to migrate, but because people of some cultures, nations and lands, in one way or another, have created sociopolitical conditions that even many of them cannot stand - but that kinda suggests their ideas may not exactly be wanted and welcome in distant, very different societies that aren't like this...

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The GOP actually cares about our border and removing illegal immigrants

You're seriously misguided if you really believe that. Republicans know as well as Democrats do that immigrants- especially the illegal ones- are important for the economy.

They're just making performative gestures to pander to rural hicks that think anyone who doesn’t look exactly like them is an enemy.

So what you are saying if you have a horiffc historical wrong done. And two of the victims are still alive they get nothing. But a person who has a Mc' Donalds coffee fall on their lap gets millions of dollars.

That lady was horribly scarred and her very bones damaged beyond repair. The lawsuit was 100% valid.