United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

AnimalNoodles

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/le sigh

how about this then?

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Harlock

I should have expected that really
....Why are they even doing that?

edit: I am also not seeing 1 million peoples here?

You are seeing about 179 people, not quite the numbers they seemed to be aiming for :p People seem to be getting sick of this here too

What the hell does the UK even have to do with BLM?

Precisely fuck and all. It's a Marxist front preaching violent revolution and the destruction of capitalism. That was in their speeches and their leaflets handed out on the route. The fact they didn't even make 200 supporters speaks much.
 

Jormungandr

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There is a little bit of racism towards British black people in the UK. And I mean a little -- you'll always have some fuckwads in any civilization. But, if you were raised in the UK/have a British accent? No-one cares. Seriously. They're pretty much fringe-elements compared to the rest of society.

What these chucklefucks in BLM don't understand is that every country has different racism issues, and the whole "racism against blacks" thing is mostly an American cultural issue.

The "de-fund the police" shit? We have our grumblings with the police in the UK, and there have been some nasty scandals (mostly related to the government/police being afraid of being called racist by people, hence why Pakistani grooming gangs had blind-eyes on them), but on the whole? People are fine with them, despite the government's increasing taste for 1984 shenanigans.

In short: no-one cares. American issues don't apply over here.

BLM may have some good, or rather now deluded, apples in it that still believe it's a movement to stand against racism... but it's really just a politically-driven, Marxist, racist, black supremacist organization that shits on everything famous anti-racists, like MLK Jr. himself, stood for.

Hell, just today? Yesterday? A Trump supporter was shot and killed by a BLM supporter, and the crowd he was with fucking cheered. Cheered.

So, yeah. I hope that small crowd in London felt as embarrassed as they looked, standing there.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
There are A LOT of laws that prevent federal forces form being used on American soil. There has to be a lot of steps in between to allow mobilization, let alone drone strikes.

There's also free speech and association laws -- even if a group is declared to be a gang or domestic terrorist organization, you *cannot* be convicted of a crime, much less summarily executed, for merely talking about them or wearing a logo. At the point where you've gone this far, you've decided to destroy the Constitution.
 

Floridaman

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There's also free speech and association laws -- even if a group is declared to be a gang or domestic terrorist organization, you *cannot* be convicted of a crime, much less summarily executed, for merely talking about them or wearing a logo. At the point where you've gone this far, you've decided to destroy the Constitution.
technically that isn’t true, groups can be declared criminal during ww2 we did it with the American branch of the Nazi party. This was also used on the German one by the way during the occupation.
 

Zachowon

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Tim Pool is also saying he had a Blue Lives Matter patch on, so yeah...
Those Communist bastards
There's also free speech and association laws -- even if a group is declared to be a gang or domestic terrorist organization, you *cannot* be convicted of a crime, much less summarily executed, for merely talking about them or wearing a logo. At the point where you've gone this far, you've decided to destroy the Constitution.
Technically there are states where you can be arrested for gang affiliation. I know this as when I was a jailer you could add charges if someone was in a gang and had tattoos associated with a gang. You can definitely add charges for it. You can definitely charge for it if you need a reason for a warrant. Will it hold up? Maybe not, but if there is evidence to help support it you can.
technically that isn’t true, groups can be declared criminal during ww2 we did it with the American branch of the Nazi party. This was also used on the German one by the way during the occupation.
The US can do a lot
 

ShadowArxxy

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This dude is still very much alive; the PPD reported someone killed.

This is a separate incident, unless the PPD was incorrect in their assessment of the victims condition.

Minor point of correction: it's Portland Police Bureau, not Police Department. In Portland, all city departments are "Bureaus".

technically that isn’t true, groups can be declared criminal during ww2 we did it with the American branch of the Nazi party. This was also used on the German one by the way during the occupation.

I didn't say you can't declare a group to be criminal; I said you cannot Constitutionally criminalize mere peripheral association with a group. The closest things come to that is enhanced sentencing for gang associations, and that still requires an *actual crime to be committed*.

Technically there are states where you can be arrested for gang affiliation.

You can be arrested for suspected gang affiliation; you cannot be convicted of a crime for gang affiliation alone, and outside of overly aggressive gang task force actions, merely wearing a logo or expressing a positive opinion of a gang does not constitute affiliation.

If he is it'll get worse they call his opponent "the Anifta Mayor" so yeah Portland is screwed.

Who is "they"? I've never heard ANYONE call her that, much less a universal "they", and I live here. This strikes me as an unprovably vague claim, in any case.

All true.

Yet air strikes were considered when the Killdozer/Marvin Heemeyer tore Granby a new one. And he wasn't even a terrorist, and the only life he took, despite having ample means and oppurutinity, was his own.

So it's not without precedent.

I would point out that whether or not Heemeyer "tried not to kill people, only damage property" is a highly contested point. While he did not succeed in killing anyone, he did fire rifles at the police and at power transformers and propane tanks, both of which would have caused serious casualties if they actually exploded. Moreover, he was bulldozing buildings *with people in them*, including the town library with children inside.

Air strikes were only allegedly considered as a desperation move because the Killdozer was endangering hundreds of lives and could not be stopped by small-arms fire, and even then it would have been a National Guard deployment, not active duty military.
 
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Zachowon

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Minor point of correction: it's Portland Police Bureau, not Police Department. In Portland, all city departments are "Bureaus".



I didn't say you can't declare a group to be criminal; I said you cannot Constitutionally criminalize mere peripheral association with a group. The closest things come to that is enhanced sentencing for gang associations, and that still requires an *actual crime to be committed*.



You can be arrested for suspected gang affiliation; you cannot be convicted of a crime for gang affiliation alone, and outside of overly aggressive gang task force actions, merely wearing a logo or expressing a positive opinion of a gang does not constitute affiliation.



Who is "they"? I've never heard ANYONE call her that, much less a universal "they", and I live here. This strikes me as an unprovably vague claim, in any case.
Arresting them and then charging them with further crimes they have been caught committing is just fine
 

Zachowon

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If they have been caught committing actual crimes, is my entire point. As opposed to the assertion I was responding to, which was that anyone wearing so much as a BLM logo should be summarily executed.
Arrest them and try them using the countless hundreds of hours of footage
 

Certified_Heterosexual

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Here's an interesting thought experiment to play around with—if all these riots were happening in 1992, what would Bill Clinton have done? I think Slick Willy would have triangulated the issue like crazy. He would have engineered a very loud and public dispute with some antifa-friendly progressive, commented that riots and disorder hit black communities the hardest (FACT CHECK: Mostly True), and said as president he'd dispatch law enforcement to crack some rioter skulls on day one. Plus Bill would've already been to Kenosha by now—he'd have made sure to be there before the sitting president's team could nail down the logistics.

There seems to be real confusion in the Biden camp (I mean, beyond Biden's persistent confused state) as to what to do with this chaotic situation other than weakly blame Trump for it. Anti-Trump sentiment among liberals is still so strong that even Biden can survive this and remain competitive in the race, but I just can't imagine that Undecideds will be convinced by the ol' blame game here. This pushes things back into Trump's favored territory, which is portraying himself as a man of action willing to strike when opportunity presents itself and push aside anyone who gets in the way. Biden looks weak by contrast, very weak indeed. He's essentially running for president of the op-ed departments of American journalism.
 

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