United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
Another point about Alinskyite tactics is that they only work if at least one faction of the ruling class is already on the side of the activists. At the very least, the press has to go down to the mat for them.

Operation Rescue used to obstruct abortion clinics by using a few of the same non-violent means as the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War protesters. They got away with it for a while. Then, the cops showed up, took off their badges, and beat the shit out of the protesters. That was the signal for the j*urnalists to pack their gear and leave. Operation Rescue failed.

Just another reminder that this sort of activism isn't something that rag tag underdogs do to out-maneuver the bullying jocks, it's yet another demonic deception that broken freaks inflict upon those who are their betters in essence but lessers in status.
 
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Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Another point about Alinskyite tactics is that they only work if at least one faction of the ruling class is already on the side of the activists. At the very least, the press has to go down to the mat for them.

Operation Rescue used to obstruct abortion clinics by using a few of the same non-violent means as the “civil rights” movement and the Vietnam War protesters. They got away with it for a while. Then, the cops showed up, took off their badges, and beat the shit the protesters. That was the signal for the j*urnalists to pack their gear and leave. Operation Rescue failed.

Just another reminder that this sort of activism isn't something that rag tag underdogs do to out-maneuver the bullying jocks, it's yet another demonic deception that broken freaks inflict upon those who are their betters in essence but lessers in status.
You got opinions about the civil rights movement when you type in " "?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
The UN has precisly as much power as the eight states in charge allow it to have. In praxis, zero,

How much power do you allow those eight states to have? Because even if they’re financially worthless or go broke

Well



“Power recides where men believe it recides. It's a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.”

Unfortunately, they forget that violence or means of most easily employing said violence are where it resides, the moment the US Armed Forces support Drumpf is the moment they lose
 
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The Civil Rights movement did use much the same tactics. Its pretty explicit in the film Selma.

Forcing the police into a decision dilemma, beat up the protesters and win the sympathy of the public, then have a mixed race protest which the police don't charge.

It was extremely effective in a propagandistic sense.

Much the same, positive media coverage and various acts of provocation were used to shift and control the narrative.

The southern police and segregationists, from what I have gleaned, were not nearly as adept at dealing with these sorts of tactics-given that TV was a fairly recent invention, especially national TV.

The use of "moms" and "veterans" and glowing press coverage is clearly designed to manipulate and sway public opinion. Not their enemies-die hard conservatives and reactionaries, not their supporters, but the great mass of the population that goes with the prevailing wind.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
Unfortunately, they forget that violence or means of most easily employing said violence are where it resides, the moment the US Armed Forces support Drumpf is the moment they lose

The thing is, people choosing to follow orders is based on their belief and perception of what are appropriate orders to follow from, and who. Thus, 'power resides where people believe it resides.'

If every person in society refused to take orders from anyone else at all, there would be almost no power held by anyone. Sure, the strongest, most well-equipped individual would have more than anyone else, but he's fighting solo, and eventually someone is going to get the drop on him.
 

Lanmandragon

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Depends on how much the system breaks down there. If the police feel like their civil leadership has betrayed them (not surprising at this point) and see the rioters invading the suburban neighborhoods where they themselves live... I could very easily see a kind of police coup de tat happening. Police just saying that they don't answer to the mayor anymore and enforcing the law regardless. It would still take a while to get to that point though. So... three days or so? (God, I hope I'm joking, but who even knows at this point)
Quite frankly they absolutely should ala RoboCop 3. Thier alligence should be to the people not to the City government.
 

Terthna

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Fuck me that’s all we need right now. Bet someone is hoping for a re-enactment of Kent State so they can blame it on Trump.
Would it help them though, at this point? The rioting has been going on for over two months; how many people are still dumb enough to side with the rioters if Trump finally decided to start cracking down on them?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Would it help them though, at this point? The rioting has been going on for over two months; how many people are still dumb enough to side with the rioters if Trump finally decided to start cracking down on them?

Depends on what you mean by side

If you mean they go and actually give them large amounts of food, cash, gas and even weapons.....you'd have to be really fucking rich like the Sorros' and Hollywood to pull it off

Though, if you mean by vocally supporting them? Lots of douchebags on the internet like those on reddit and our sister forums will be talking shit but be too smart deep down to actually get themselves involved because if the feds don't hit em the "peaceful protestors" will
 

Rocinante

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Depends on what you mean by side

If you mean they go and actually give them large amounts of food, cash, gas and even weapons.....you'd have to be really fucking rich like the Sorros' and Hollywood to pull it off

Though, if you mean by vocally supporting them? Lots of douchebags on the internet like those on reddit and our sister forums will be talking shit but be too smart deep down to actually get themselves involved because if the feds don't hit em the "peaceful protestors" will
Our sister sites have active ANTIFA on them, by self admission.
 

Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
This seems like a good place to put this. think of it as an expansion on my thoughts from yesterday, with insights taken from another deep-dive into the black-bloc corner of the Intenet:

WHY WE DON’T MAKE DEMANDS

Even if your intention is simply to negotiate, you put yourself in a weaker bargaining position by spelling out from the beginning the least it would take to appease you. No shrewd negotiator begins by making concessions. It’s smarter to appear implacable: So you want to come to terms? Make us an offer. In the meantime, we’ll be here blocking the freeway and setting things on fire.

As the essay moves on, it become obvious that the real goal is a regime change. Like I said yesterday, straight from the "color revolution" playbook:

In times of upheaval, when everything is up for grabs, one way to defuse a burgeoning revolt is to grant its demands before it has time to escalate. Sometimes this looks like a real victory—as in Slovenia in 2013, when two months of protest toppled the presiding government. This put an end to the unrest before it could address the systemic problems that gave rise to it, which ran much deeper than which politicians were in office. Another government came to power while the demonstrators were still dazed at their own success—and business as usual resumed.

During the buildup to the 2011 revolution in Egypt, Mubarak repeatedly offered what the demonstrators had been demanding a couple days earlier; but as the situation on the streets intensified, the participants became more and more implacable. Had Mubarak offered more, sooner, he might still be in power today.

You wouldn't offer those as examples unless you were aiming for a fundamental change to the structure of government, because—contra the essay—protest movements in the US are often very successful in getting what the participants want. The whole essay reads like 140-IQ CIA handlers "explaining" why they need to stay in the streets even though the local government is promising them everything they asked for.

The obvious strength of a "movement" like this is that it has no clear leader. There is no one man to buy off, subvert, capture, or kill. However, this can also become a big problem for the movement as well.

In normal warfare, each side has a clear chain of command, and the soldiers from 4-star general to the lowest private all obey those commands. When Emperor Hirohito surrendered to the US, that was that. The war between the US and Japan was over, period. The only Japanese who kept fighting were those who had been operating outside the chain of command, and simply didn't believe the Japanese had surrendered.

When fighting a decentralized leaderless movement, there is no chain of command—no one who can say "OK, we got what we wanted, we won, stop fighting, it's over." There's no one Supreme Commander of Antifa for the US government to surrender to.

Even if, say, Trump resigns the Presidency and all cities divert 75% their police budgets to "minority outreach," some of these people won't be satisfied, and will demand complete eradication of the police. And when they get that, someone else will step forward and coldly declare that it was a good first step, but not nearly enough. More—much more—must be done. It becomes a sort of competition for each faction to see how far they can push their local government, how much can they get. Since there are no consequences, and pushing people around and burning stuff is fun, there's no reason to ever stop.

The main problem will come if the government realizes this is a never-ending spiral and there's literally nothing they can do to buy off or satisfy the revolutionaries. In normal warfare, when the pain for one side becomes too great, that side surrenders. Since the government couldn't surrender even if it wanted to, it will have no choice but to "snap" and crack down with overwhelming force. By that time, God willing, Antifa will have pissed off the average person so much that we're all laughing at the TV and cracking a beer in celebration.
 

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