Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

[Zachowon]

We want righteousness. For those who are good and deserving to prosper. Just being the same race as we are is not enough for me to wish you well like Bacle does. I do not wish well for those of my race who are communist or satanist for instance.

Supporting Russia and Islam is not righteous

 

[King Arts]

Supporting Russia and Islam is not righteous

And you think supporting communists and pedos is righteous?

Also who said anything about supporting them lol.

 

[Terthna]

Radar, infrared tracking sats, trigonometry, and the quadratic equation are how other nations besides Russia will know the nukes aren't for them.

Also, we have nuke gravity bombs and cruise missiles; removing Moscow doesn't require cracking open the silo's in the midwest or telling our boomers to go loud, just some air strikes with tactical nukes or tac nukes delivered by cruise missile.

Neither of which is likely to cause the CCP to mistake it for an attack on them, and is we make it very open that so long as no Russian nukes fly back, the nuke units of Russia will be left intact for the new St. Petersburg gov to control.

The only reason you think MAD is still in play against Russia is because you are ignorant of how nuclear threats are actually detected and tracked, along with ignorant of how said tracking plays into calculations on whether to launch or not on the part of others.

You only think MAD is unwinnable because Hollywood and the media obviously don't talk about the successes of the ABM and BMD shield tests or the classified shit around them, only air power magazines and nerd forums.

No, you just are operating in massive ignorance of the realities around nuclear war in exchange for the outdated meme's around it.

Personally, I don't believe you know as much as you think you do; I think you're letting your emotions rule you, and you only think a nuclear war is winnable because you refuse to entertain the idea that it isn't.

I'd say it focused me, not corrupted; the fact is 90% of what is wrong with the world today can be traced to the actions of Moscow under the commies and their actions in other nations.

Though that also pins most of our problems on Germany too, since they are the ones who sent Lenin to Russia and gave the commies a chance to take over Russia during WW1.

Focused you on an external enemy to the exclusion of the internal one; which is what they want.

 

[Bacle]

Personally, I don't believe you know as much as you think you do; I think you're letting your emotions rule you, and you only think a nuclear war is winnable because you refuse to entertain the idea that it isn't.

No, I used to think MAD would apply with Russia, then we got a look at the actual state of the Russian military in actions and begun to get a lot more mass to orbit thanks to SpaceX.

You may want to look up what the concept of Brilliant Pebbles is.

Focused you on an external enemy to the exclusion of the internal one; which is what they want.

No, it just showed me where the lines in the sand are between having a corrupt gov that I want removed via voters or SCOTUS rulings, and one I want to drop canned sunshine or at least thousands of tons of thermite on, and how the different issues should be handled in domestic versus international issues.

It's possible to want the Dems removed from their illegally gained power, while still recognizing Russia as a greater international threat; it's a position that takes nuance instead of kneejerk opposition to things and doesn't play the 'have to deal with internal or external issues, not both' lie.

Or do you just not see me posting shit about Kamala and Biden still, or think none of my opposition to the Dems matters because I back Ukraine?

 

[Terthna]

No, I used to think MAD would apply with Russia, then we got a look at the actual state of the Russian military in actions and begun to get a lot more mass to orbit thanks to SpaceX.

You may want to look up what the concept of Brilliant Pebbles is.

That missile defense system proposal from the late eighties, which was canceled in the early nineties; involving satellites in low Earth orbit? I suppose SpaceX could help build it; but you do realize something we could, but not necessarily will build shouldn't factor into your calculations on how a nuclear conflict with Russia would go, right?

No, it just showed me where the lines in the sand are between having a corrupt gov that I want removed via voters or SCOTUS rulings, and one I want to drop canned sunshine or at least thousands of tons of thermite on, and how the different issues should be handled in domestic versus international issues.

It's possible to want the Dems removed from their illegally gained power, while still recognizing Russia as a greater international threat; it's a position that takes nuance instead of kneejerk opposition to things and doesn't play the 'have to deal with internal or external issues, not both' lie.

Or do you just not see me posting shit about Kamala and Biden still, or think none of my opposition to the Dems matters because I back Ukraine?

I see you posting that; but it seems all your distrust of the government goes out the window whenever the Russians are brought up, and you talk about things like letting Kamala and Biden start nuclear wars.

 

[Bacle]

That missile defense system proposal from the late eighties, which was canceled in the early nineties; involving satellites in low Earth orbit? I suppose SpaceX could help build it; but you do realize something we could, but not necessarily will build shouldn't factor into your calculations on how a nuclear conflict with Russia would go, right?

You do know Musk is launching Starshield sats for the DoD right, and a lot of them?

Then go back and look at what was required for Brilliant Pebbles to work.

That's not even touching the ABM and BMD missile interceptors on our Burkes, the anti-ICBM lasers that are supposed to have been around since the 70's (you can thank @Sailor.X for cluing in that tidbit a while back), and things like THAAD or Patriot systems.

I see you posting that; but it seems all your distrust of the government goes out the window whenever the Russians are brought up, and you talk about things like letting Kamala and Biden start nuclear wars.

It's not trusting Biden or Kamala, it's trusting the people on Discords I'm in who are actually from Ukraine, and trusting posters from Ukraine on Twitter about what is happening in their nation.

Frankly I'm pissed at Biden and Harris for slow rolling aid and not doing more, because they want to be able to 'reset' relations with Russia after this conflict.

 

[Zachowon]

I can tell you all about this conflict.
Most western media doesn't lie and tells a more standard look.
Ukraine media lies like crazy, and Russian media lies on the other direction

 

[Terthna]

You do know Musk is launching Starshield sats for the DoD right, and a lot of them?

Then go back and look at what was required for Brilliant Pebbles to work.

That's not even touching the ABM and BMD missile interceptors on our Burkes, the anti-ICBM lasers that are supposed to have been around since the 70's (you can thank @Sailor.X for cluing in that tidbit a while back), and things like THAAD or Patriot systems.

Wasn't one of the main reasons Brilliant Pebbles was canceled, aside from the exorbitant cost to build it, because of the fact that the Russians already had a way to disable it?

It's not trusting Biden or Kamala, it's trusting the people on Discords I'm in who are actually from Ukraine, and trusting posters from Ukraine on Twitter about what is happening in their nation.

Frankly I'm pissed at Biden and Harris for slow rolling aid and not doing more, because they want to be able to 'reset' relations with Russia after this conflict.

For what it's worth, the more I learn about what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, the more I wish we were doing to help the latter. That said, you are talking about trusting our current government to conduct a nuclear war competently enough to not fuck it up; and you're self-aware enough to recognize that's a bad idea, which is why you're denying that's what you're doing, even though it absolutely is.

 

[Bacle]

Wasn't one of the main reasons Brilliant Pebbles was canceled, aside from the exorbitant cost to build it, because of the fact that the Russians already had a way to disable it?

I've never heard that.

I'd only heard cost and mass-to-orbit issues as it's downfall, both of which Musk has solved.

For what it's worth, the more I learn about what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, the more I wish we were doing to help the latter. That said, you are talking about trusting our current government to conduct a nuclear war competently enough to not fuck it up; and you're self-aware enough to recognize that's a bad idea, which is why you're denying that's what you're doing, even though it absolutely is.

I think that if it came down to a nuclear fight, SecDef Austin is smart and sane enough to allow us to win, regardless of Biden and Kamala's idiocy.

The one I actually worry about most in the issue is Jake Sullivan, who is the Kremlin's top agent in DC.

 

[Terthna]

I've never heard that.

I'd only heard cost and mass-to-orbit issues as it's downfall, both of which Musk has solved.

Looking at the Wikipedia article (yes, I know; but they're usually decent at technical things that aren't tied directly to a political ideology) the Russians apparently have had lasers that can "paint" satellites, temporarily blinding them, since the 1970s; which could have been used to render Brilliant Pebbles utterly useless for a comparatively much cheaper cost.

I think that if it came down to a nuclear fight, SecDef Austin is smart and sane enough to allow us to win, regardless of Biden and Kamala's idiocy.

The one I actually worry about most in the issue is Jake Sullivan, who is the Kremlin's top agent in DC.

That's another concern; their obvious incompetence aside (Austin might be competent enough, but he's not the guy who will get to make the final decisions), we know many of the people in our government have already sold us out to the highest bidder. It's kinda hard to conduct any sort of military action under those circumstances.

 

[Bacle]

Looking at the Wikipedia article (yes, I know; but they're usually decent at technical things that aren't tied directly to a political ideology) the Russians apparently have had lasers that can "paint" satellites, temporarily blinding them, since the 1970s; which could have been used to render Brilliant Pebbles utterly useless for a comparatively much cheaper cost.

Oh, that shit...you do know optical filters and such are a thing, both in physical and software form? Also, that was from before the Falcon 9 reusable rocket was a thing.

Laser blinding isn't a new concept, but we also have vastly more computing power and materials science to use to solve it than they did back when originally proposed.

In fact, some of the new Starlink sats use laser comms themselves, and the only main difference between a comms laser and a laser weapon is the power inputted and rate of power consumption.

So who knows whats on Starshield sats for the DoD.

That's another concern; their obvious incompetence aside (Austin might be competent enough, but he's not the guy who will get to make the final decisions), we know many of the people in our government have already sold us out to the highest bidder. It's kinda hard to conduct any sort of military action under those circumstances.

And that's a fair critique, foreign agent infiltration and subversion of the US government is one of the reasons I want the corrupt establishment torn down and replaced with one I know is not in any hostile pockets.

 

[King Arts]

Oh, that shit...you do know optical filters and such are a thing, both in physical and software form? Also, that was from before the Falcon 9 reusable rocket was a thing.

Laser blinding isn't a new concept, but we also have vastly more computing power and materials science to use to solve it than they did back when originally proposed.

In fact, some of the new Starlink sats use laser comms themselves, and the only main difference between a comms laser and a laser weapon is the power inputted and rate of power consumption.

So who knows whats on Starshield sats for the DoD.

And that's a fair critique, foreign agent infiltration and subversion of the US government is one of the reasons I want the corrupt establishment torn down and replaced with one I know is not in any hostile pockets.

Unless it’s Israeli foreign infiltration of course.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Most western media doesn't lie and tells a more standard look.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Most western media doesn't lie and tells a more standard look.

That is incredibly delusional even by your standards

 

[Zachowon]

That is incredibly delusional even by your standards

When it comes to Ukraine caveat.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Oh yeah, they are lying to us about everything, but regarding this matter that I support they are telling the truth. Well they are not, it's just that their lies are of the kind that appeals to you.

 

[TheRejectionist]

When it comes to Ukraine caveat.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Anybody here comment on youtube? Because for the last few years it's been absolutely fucking abhorrent.

The filters for words are so strict that everyday sentences get picked up and shadow-deleted.

You aren't told they've been deleted, they simply are.

Its fucking infuriating because it also includes website links, so you cannot post links to websites unless you go out of your way to make it into gibberish like "DoubleU DoubleU DoubleU dot the-sietch dot cohm" or somesuch.

 

[mrttao]

Anybody here comment on youtube? Because for the last few years it's been absolutely fucking abhorrent.

The filters for words are so strict that everyday sentences get picked up and shadow-deleted.

You aren't told they've been deleted, they simply are.

Its fucking infuriating because it also includes website links, so you cannot post links to websites unless you go out of your way to make it into gibberish like "DoubleU DoubleU DoubleU dot the-sietch dot cohm" or somesuch.

Yea. it is very annoying. shadowbanning ought to be a crime

 

[TheRejectionist]

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