United States FLASH: U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG DEAD AT 87

[Bacle]

Great.



I really hate my party sometimes.

Why, because they are done being 'graceful losers'?

This election may well end up in SCOTUS, and you think they should leave that seat vacant, instead of filling the seat? Do you want Trump to lose by leaving that seat open, just so you can seem 'principled'?

And too top it all off, Trump nominating someone would be in line with the norm.

 

[bullethead]

Look, I don't know what the hell to expect from this craziness, but I do know one thing - the moment people started knocking out procedural barriers is the moment they guaranteed their opponents would exploit those things when the situation suited them.

That no one had any foresight to realize this... or even worse, knew this and proceeded, is why everyone thinks Congress is generally garbage.

 

[StormEagle]

Great.



I really hate my party sometimes.

Why should we care if the enemy views us as hypocrites? We are in a literal knife fight for the soul of the country with people that outright hate this nation and are working towards it destruction.

Quite honestly and frankly, fuck principles if they allow demonrats to retake power.

Principle is the luxury of the victorious. We can have principles again when the radical left in this nation is left a castrated corpse on the side of the highway of history. For now, we should be taking every advantage and attacking them in any way available to us.

In short, fuck being the principled, gentlemanly loser, and fuck any democrat that gets in our way.

Democrats delenda est.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I’m a bit weary of this emphasis on hypocrisy and “high minded gentlemanly-ness”

It’s not the fifties anymore.

Politics is now a struggle to the knife, and the sooner republicans get over their moral hang ups, the sooner we will start winning.

 

[almostinsane]

There was no good move here. Quite honestly, the moment decorum was done away with, this sort of thing was inevitable. I don't know what decision I would've made if I was Mitch.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Decorum doesn’t matter when the future of the country is at stake. Not to mention our enemies have no use for decorum either.

In fact they openly hold decorum and decency in contempt.

So whenever they accuse us of hypocrisy, just remember their laughing at us for upholding norms and values they despise.

 

[Bigking321]

It's not technically hypocrisy.

The Obama one was the senate being opposed to the president and refusing to move.

The equivalent would be the dems controlling the senate and refusing to move for trump

It would be hypocrisy to complain about the dems in that situation.

This is the senate and President controlled by the same party.

It's a completely different situation and context.

But the media and dems will only look at the time period before the election as the similarly and claim thats all that matters and claim hypocrisy to high heaven.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Why, because they are done being 'graceful losers'?

Because they couldn't even wait an hour to announce they were take the power at all costs and damn the consequences approach.

This election may well end up in SCOTUS, and you think they should leave that seat vacant, instead of filling the seat? Do you want Trump to lose by leaving that seat open, just so you can seem 'principled'?

First, there's 4 solid conservatives, 3 liberals, and one wishy washy consevative, so if it ends up being a purely partisan vote, Trump is safe no matter what.

Secondly, given that this is another step down the path towards letting one party try a massively destablizing power grab that could lead to the collapse of the republic (either via one party seize power or starting a civil war), yes I'd rather they not do this.

And too top it all off, Trump nominating someone would be in line with the norm.

If the norm you're trying to cite needs a flowchart to prove, while the other side needs a 10 second soundbite of McConnell, you've already lost the battle for public opinion.

Why should we care if the enemy views us as hypocrites? We are in a literal knife fight for the soul of the country with people that outright hate this nation and are working towards it destruction.

Quite honestly and frankly, fuck principles if they allow demonrats to retake power.

Principle is the luxury of the victorious. We can have principles again when the radical left in this nation is left a castrated corpse on the side of the highway of history. For now, we should be taking every advantage and attacking them in any way available to us.

In short, fuck being the principled, gentlemanly loser, and fuck any democrat that gets in our way.

Democrats delenda est.

Nice speech. I hope it doesn't end up engraved on the country's tombstone.

Look, I don't know what the hell to expect from this craziness, but I do know one thing - the moment people started knocking out procedural barriers is the moment they guaranteed their opponents would exploit those things when the situation suited them.

That no one had any foresight to realize this... or even worse, knew this and proceeded, is why everyone thinks Congress is generally garbage.

It seems like we're all stuck in a giant prisoner's dilemma, and we all know we're in a prisoner's dilemma, but both of the prisoners got arrested wearing a "I betray in prisoner's dilemmas" T-shirt and they're frantically trying to out-backstab the other side before they get stabbed themselves.

 

[MrBirthday]

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That's what I was going to say. Anyway, it's worth considering how this changes the dynamics of the Supreme Court, even without another Justice replacing Ginsburg.

 

[Bigking321]

That's what I was going to say. Anyway, it's worth considering how this changes the dynamics of the Supreme Court, even without another Justice replacing Ginsburg.

If trump gets the pick its massive. Roberts won't really matter anymore and he can backstab conservatives to his hearts content because we would have enough conservatives, constitutionists, and textualists to actually get fair or right leaning rulings even on divisive issues.

Gun control stuff would go through for sure. Probably first amendment stuff, freedom of religion stuff.

I think it's very unlikely but roe v wade might be in play.

End of the world stuff for leftists.

 

[Bacle]

Because they couldn't even wait an hour to announce they were take the power at all costs and damn the consequences approach.



First, there's 4 solid conservatives, 3 liberals, and one wishy washy consevative, so if it ends up being a purely partisan vote, Trump is safe no matter what.

Secondly, given that this is another step down the path towards letting one party try a massively destablizing power grab that could lead to the collapse of the republic (either via one party seize power or starting a civil war), yes I'd rather they not do this.



If the norm you're trying to cite needs a flowchart to prove, while the other side needs a 10 second soundbite of McConnell, you've already lost the battle for public opinion.



Nice speech. I hope it doesn't end up engraved on the country's tombstone.



It seems like we're all stuck in a giant prisoner's dilemma, and we all know we're in a prisoner's dilemma, but both of the prisoners got arrested wearing a "I betray in prisoner's dilemmas" T-shirt and they're frantically trying to out-backstab the other side before they get stabbed themselves.

Biden first used this rule, it wasn't used again till 2016, and it was a different circumstance.

The truth you don't seem to want to grasp is the day Obama decided to not peacefully transfer power to Trump, and initiated Crossfire Hurricane, was the day our republic went on life support.

This election it will either be revived, or it will die. This one is for all the marbles, unless you are ok with the CCP and Far-Left instituting a one-party state under Biden/Harris. You think they won't go after the Trump voters/supporters, or at least drive you from society, if they win this time? After cities burning and the lockdowns/reverse-quarantines?

 

[MrBirthday]

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You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about Trump getting another Justice on the court; I was referring to the fact that if Roberts sides with the leftists now it's a 4-4 deadlock (and the lower court decision stands), not a 5-4 victory for the leftists. Not ideal, but perhaps useful.

 

[StormEagle]

The democrats haven’t been gracious in defeat, what makes anyone think they’ll be magnanimous in victory?

Imagine what they’ll do if they regain power. DC and Puerto Rico as states to stack the Senate, court packing to make sure only the “right” rulings come down, the electoral college abolished completely, the borders thrown open to all and sundry, voting rights for illegals, and likely mandatory universal mail in voting.

This election will decide whether or not the Republic will rise victorious from its death bed or be smothered by its enemies. If the democrats win, the nation, as we currently know it, will be destroyed and replaced by some dystopian, leftist one party state for god knows how long.

Therefore, they cannot be allowed to win. They must be kept from the levers of power and driven away from what they already control.

By any and all means necessary.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Biden first used this rule, it wasn't used again till 2016, and it was a different circumstance.

He first proposed what the GOP later did and named after him.

The truth you don't seem to want to grasp is the day Obama decided to not peacefully transfer power to Trump, and initiated Crossfire Hurricane, was the day our republic went on life support.

This election it will either be revived, or it will die. This one is for all the marbles, unless you are ok with the CCP and Far-Left instituting a one-party state under Biden/Harris. You think they won't go after the Trump voters/supporters, or at least drive you from society, if they win this time? After cities burning and the lockdowns/reverse-quarantines?

Biden and Harris will have a hard time doing that without the Senate, and this gamble puts them a lot closer to getting the senate. More to the point, no one in power seems to have any plan to deescalate from where we are now, they're all to busy trying to figure out what their next dubious power grab should be or how to counter the other side's upcoming power grab, with no consideration to where things end.

I'll give you a hint, they end in one side deciding or realizing they can't win via legal tricks and votes, and decide to try and take power via force.

If the democrats win, the nation, as we currently know it, will be destroyed and replaced by some dystopian, leftist one party state for god knows how long.

If they do all that stuff, I give it two weeks, tops. Then it's replaced by the war torn ashes of what used to be the US, and things get even worse.

 

[Bacle]

He first proposed what the GOP later did and named after him.



Biden and Harris will have a hard time doing that without the Senate, and this gamble puts them a lot closer to getting the senate. More to the point, no one in power seems to have any plan to deescalate from where we are now, they're all to busy trying to figure out what their next dubious power grab should be or how to counter the other side's upcoming power grab, with no consideration to where things end.

I'll give you a hint, they end in one side deciding or realizing they can't win via legal tricks and votes, and decide to try and take power via force.



If they do all that stuff, I give it two weeks, tops. Then it's replaced by the war torn ashes of what used to be the US, and things get even worse.

There is a reason I've said we need a Constitutional Convention, at minimum, to start the healing.

I'm not happy we are at this point, please understand that. I am just being real about how I see things.

But with the CCPs involvement with the Dems, and the media playing along, while cities burn, people are arrest for defending themselves, shot at for their politics (Rep Steve Scalice and the Congressional Baseball shooting) or simply executed in the street for being a Trump supporter, ala Portland, I do not see healing happening if Trump loses.

I think Trump could heal the country in his second term, while Biden/Harris will sell us out to the CCP and treat the Bill of Rights like an unwanted pregnancy of one of their backers at Planned Parenthood.

The stakes were already high enough before RBG died; I doubt anyone who was going to vote R for Senate will suddenly vote D now, or that this will motivate previously unmotivated voters.

In normal times you'd have a point; we live in 'interesting times', due to China.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Well SB is having a meltdown. God only knows what SV looks like.

Ah, I saw that meltdown earlier. Thank you so much for the entertainment Rastamon. I do enjoy watching you all scream and gnash over a woman who stayed on the court four years longer than she should have, out of spite and politics, just so you can all accuse the Republicans of playing politics. And really, the last thing she said on her deathbed was that she didn't want the current president to replace her.

Thank you Rastamon. This is the fruit of your labor.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Great.



I really hate my party sometimes.

Why?

She stayed at her post specifically to prevent another, more competent judge from taking her seat. She could have retired four years ago. But as everyone predicted four years ago, she was only leaving when they carried her out in her coffin. If she were healthy, it would be one thing. She was ancient and had several forms of cancer that would have killed anyone who wasn't, as the DNC would so charitably say, within the 1%. You play political games, you win political prizes. She should have vacated under Obama when she had the chance. Like a couple did under Trump.

It's not fair, it's not pretty, and it's more than a little hypocritical, but...well, the other side is literally talking about packing the courts if they come to power.

EDIT

Impart because the retards over at SB are too stupid to realize that there's a difference between a Supreme Court swinging towards one political pole or another due to pre-established rules of appointments--and then using the office of the president to pour in political appointees on the sole basis of upending said rules for political gain.

 

[Sir 1000]

I hope the lady is in a better place..................now sweep the leg mconnell!!!!!

 

[Bigking321]

You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about Trump getting another Justice on the court; I was referring to the fact that if Roberts sides with the leftists now it's a 4-4 deadlock (and the lower court decision stands), not a 5-4 victory for the leftists. Not ideal, but perhaps useful.

Ah I apologize.

In that case it would be a civil war. The left is so unhinged right not they will outright not accept trump winning. Even if he wins in a landslide I'm predicting major cities going up in flames.

With a 4-4 ruling on the winner in the Supreme Court? Outright insurrection.

I predict the riots will be unbelievable violent and after the first few massacres of right leaning areas the defenses of right leaning areas will become BRUTAL.

The west coast will try to leave but won't be able to and lawlessness will reign in majority blue area till the national guard comes into pacify them.

It's going to be bad anyway but thats a nightmare scenario.

 

[prinCZess]

Cancer and the ailments that follow it (or even treatment for it) are garbage, and it will be a wonderful day when its various forms go the way of the dodo because of scientific advancement and nobody has to suffer that bullshit. In some ways perhaps it's a relief to the family since I imagine they've had this exact fear hanging over them for months now (perhaps even longer--I forget how long Ginsburg has been in poor health or beset by various complications and issues) and so perhaps had some time to prepare for it and come to grips with the matter...But at the same time, it can never really be accounted for or dealt-with like that, either.
Death sucks.


On other, less important but sadly more pressing matters to the broader country...20/20 hindsight to some extent, but also not since it was said even before now, but politically and in terms of...the health of the Republic...Ginsburg retiring under Obama so her replacement could be nominated would have been a far, far less dangerous route to take than waiting and then the four-year game of chicken that's been played with death through Trump's presidency.

'Twould also be healthier for the Republic if SCOTUS were not the boss-level battleground for partisan ideology and agenda it's been turned into over the course of the last...decades...to the point where it has become such an electoral fight, but that ship sailed long ago and requires a bipartisan consensus on its danger and ill-suited nature to questions of governance which no longer exists because of the ship having set to sea.

I hold little hope of any rise above partisan desires occurring. Ginsburg's final statement somewhat pours gas on that fire in a manner that is...decidedly irresponsible for a public figure (once more Trump's superpower of making others behave as atrociously as him manifests itself I presume).
Hopefully the Republic gets through without any more interesting times.