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Alright luddites you win.this is one of those situations where I don't hate the headline I hate people's responses to the headline. Why are people so willing to embrace this kind of tech to their own long term detriment. Have we forgotten the amount of tech bubbles that have bursted in the last couple of months alone?

Now people on cheering on the idea of AI thinking for them while focusing on "other things." Why?

Maybe our elders feared this kind of tech for a reason besides just ignorance of it.
 

mrttao

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Alright luddites you win.this is one of those situations where I don't hate the headline I hate people's responses to the headline. Why are people so willing to embrace this kind of tech to their own long term detriment. Have we forgotten the amount of tech bubbles that have bursted in the last couple of months alone?

Now people on cheering on the idea of AI thinking for them while focusing on "other things." Why?

Maybe our elders feared this kind of tech for a reason besides just ignorance of it.

I did not understand what I was reading so I did some research
ChatGPT is a woke controlled "AI" chat bot.

some students were using it to write their homework essays for them.
so they blocked it on new york school networks (as if students have no other computer access other than the the school)

and people are complaining because "this is a war on children! its like banning the use of calculators. teach the children to use the tools that exist instead of banning the tools!"

did I get everything right here?
my conclusion? all sides of the debate are stupid, also the students and teachers are school managers are stupid too.
 
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So after some research
ChatGPT is a woke controlled/made "AI" chat bot

some students were using it to write their essays for them.
so they blocked it on new york school networks (as if students have no other computer access other than the the school)

and people are complaining because "this is a war on children! its like banning the use of calculators. teach the children to use the tools that exist instead of banning the tools!"

did I get everything right here?
my conclusion? all sides of the debate are stupid, also the students and teachers are school managers are stupid too.

How so?
 

hyperspacewizard

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Basically.
Kids being lazy and using a AI to wrote papers.
People complaining about it.
I think they should get hit with plagiarism for using an AI.
Because not a single part of it is considered original
That’s not how the ai works it’s not copying and pasting it’s learned how to write. Look there’s legit criticism to have but people saying this ai and the ones that do pictures are just photobashing or directly copying arent going to help their arguments anyone who knows the basics behind how these things work will dismiss your other arguments because of that.

Also I’m mean kids cheating isn’t new instead of assigning homework make them do all the work in class or something. The ai isn’t going anywhere they have already opened Pandora’s box.
 

King Krávoka

An infection of Your universe.
That,and angels having kids with human womans.
Psalm 82, and Jesus by extension, literally saying "you are gods, the sons of God"? But it's fine to pray to idols of human beings, just don't go telling people that they are gods because someone as unimportant as Jesus said so, it's less incriminating to have cult worship of historical figures in contravention of preschool-level theology than to say "he is a god now, but not our god".
That’s not how the ai works it’s not copying and pasting it’s learned how to write.
He knew that. He meant plagiarism from, not by, the artificial intelligence.
 

hyperspacewizard

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Psalm 82, and Jesus by extension, literally saying "you are gods, the sons of God"? But it's fine to pray to idols of human beings, just don't go telling people that they are gods because someone as unimportant as Jesus said so, it's less incriminating to have cult worship of historical figures in contravention of preschool-level theology than to say "he is a god now, but not our god".

He knew that. He meant plagiarism from, not by, the artificial intelligence.
Okay that’s my bad for misunderstanding but the way the ai is set up you’re not going to be able to figure out who copyied from the ai and who did it by themselves. Especially once the kids get better at communicating to the ai what exactly what they want and the style they need it to write in.

I think the best way to get around it is to just ban phones during school and have everything worth a grade done under supervision. Homework is pretty much dead as a concept now unless it requires a physical project.

Also the ai is a tool so plagiarism wouldn’t exactly be what I would call it unless the ai has a conscious which it doesn’t is plagiarism even correct? Say an adult used the ai and edited it to write a full book or even just sections of it maybe he isn’t so great at conversations between characters or he’s bad at writing descriptions of things but once he has a frame work he can adjust it to his liking. I wouldn’t call that plagiarism I would call that a smart use of a tool.
 
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Rocinante

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I’m mean that seems a bit hyperbolic. People will adapt it’s what humans are best at.

All species exist because they have a niche that allows for them to thrive. Like how woodpeckers have solid, long beaks to get to food, or beavers have strong teeth to cut down wood for their shelters.

The human species' niche is niche shifting. We adapt quickly to new situations and fill in a niche as needed. It's served us extremely well thus far.

The concern in this instance, is that things are changing more and more rapidly, and perhaps they may begin to change so rapidly that humans start failing to adapt. Maybe things change so fast that our niche shifting doesn't keep up.

We have AIs developing extremely fast, that will be able to mimic human behavior. They'll be able to write, create art, create computer code, produce convincing deep fakes, and a whole host of other things. Making humans somewhat obsolete in many areas. Especially once we get to the point where the AI can design better AI. We really aren't THAT far off from that if it's already producing functioning computer code.

This is a legitimate concern. Widespread AI that can replace the jobs of billions of humans, is absolutely going to cause societal turmoil. We are headed that way. How long until we get there? I don't know. We are going to see a MASSIVE shift in how societies around the world function when this happens. Billions of people will not have opportunities, humans are on the path to being made obsolete by our own creations.
 

Sobek

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They are perfectly right to ban the use of the AI. Kids already barely even try at school and are graduating without knowing how to read propperly. This would make it even worse.

And before someone says something about the AI being just a tool, no fuck off. The point is to understand how to the systems work and how to think. If you wanna go down the "kids should use it because they can get things done faster" than you shouls just give up on the idea of education and admit the point in schools is now to create automatons to work.
 

King Krávoka

An infection of Your universe.
Also the ai is a tool so plagiarism wouldn’t exactly be what I would call it unless the ai has a conscious which it doesn’t is plagiarism even correct?
I'd still mark a student for plagiarism if I find out that they were hiring a ghostwriter for their schoolwork, something that is also 'not quite theft'. And in my experience with deviantart, almost no one explores the miles of territory that exist between, not using AI at all, and using nothing but AI.
 



I'd actually argue we are already seeing the early stages of that inability to adapt. Notice how when we can't compete with the sheer volume and instantaneou s speed of information digitization spits out the very very instinct is to essentially shut down our brains and let the machines do the thinking for us as @Sobek mentioned our literacy rate as a generation is at an all time low and even our language has devolved to a point where it's near impossible to express anything beyond basic ideas. The human brain is just like any other muscle in the body it needs use and stimulation or else it dies. I honestly half expect to see a spike in Alzheimers due to how little we exercise our minds.
 

Rocinante

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To be fair, that's been the point for decades.
I think that used to be the point. And it's better than what we have now.

What we have now are woke/commie indoctrination camps.

It's more about spitting out people with the right ideology than producing workers.

Education is doing its job when it's producing effective workers.
I'd actually argue we are already seeing the early stages of that inability to adapt. Notice how when we can't compete with the sheer volume and instantaneou s speed of information digitization spits out the very very instinct is to essentially shut down our brains and let the machines do the thinking for us as @Sobek mentioned our literacy rate as a generation is at an all time low and even our language has devolved to a point where it's near impossible to express anything beyond basic ideas. The human brain is just like any other muscle in the body it needs use and stimulation or else it dies. I honestly half expect to see a spike in Alzheimers due to how little we exercise our minds.
I thoroughly agree that we are in the early stages of this.
 

Husky_Khan

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112 year old Protestant Church Burned Down In Portland.


It was first erected in 1905 as the First German Evangelical Church then later a Korean Christian Denomination Moved Into the Building. However the structure had remained unused when the congregation relocated to a new facility in the suburbs.

A mentally ill, oxycodone using transwoman named Cameron David Storer turned himself into police. He supposedly stated voices told him to burn the Church down or he would be mutilated by as of yet unspecified paranormal beings. The suspect does apparently have a history of substance abuse and mental illness and so far doesn't seem to have any political or ideological motivation.
 

Doomsought

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A mentally ill, oxycodone using transwoman named Cameron David Storer turned himself into police. He supposedly stated voices told him to burn the Church down or he would be mutilated by as of yet unspecified paranormal beings. The suspect does apparently have a history of substance abuse and mental illness and so far doesn't seem to have any political or ideological motivation.
Sounds like demonic possession to me.
 

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