I just want to convince him that I am wrong, and that...
Also, there is probably the dopamine spike from getting the reactions.
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I just want to convince him that I am wrong, and that...
Also, there is probably the dopamine spike from getting the reactions.
You don't need mental powers to discern something is up, even if it had an innocent explanation. Looking someone in the eyes is a deliberate act. And someone who appears to be transsexual, walked into a room, where a woman who is presumably alone (given you wait in these rooms alone), and made deliberate eye contact- after she made her preferences clear. And preferences that such an individual may take umbrage at. This is not rocket science. It is simple logic.
From the available information, it is the conclusion that makes sense. Though, alternatively it could literally be a misunderstanding and the person went in, realized they shouldn't have been there, awkwardly made eye contact and left. But that is me playing devil's advocate.
No. Deny her request, in writing, with a reasonable justification why. And, no she did not have an episode. Something happened that would reasonably upset her. And stop saying she didn't want the surgery, she did, and wanted reasonable accommodation.
That is one way of putting it. Though, I am pretty sure that you wouldn't be using this logic in other situations...
Also, she made a legal claim to accommodation... and they (allegedly) retaliated. I don't think you'd be supporting it, if a few circumstances were different...
And don't you find it odd, that people that tend to be unfriendly to this type of feminist, are rallying to defend what they see as her rights? And doing so quite vocally? I mean when is the last time, people have vociferously protected what they saw as the rights of someone they did not like? There is an example of it at the tip of my tongue, and it involves the letter A, the Letter C, the Letter L and one last letter, a vowel, I believe...
Terthna
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A large part of it is probably the fact that it's frustrating seeing someone spouting such willfully ignorant drivel. Makes it tempting to try and prove to them where they're wrong; unfortunately, Proxy 404 clearly isn't open to being proven wrong, whether or not they actually believe the nonsense they're spouting.
You can lead a man to wisdom, but you cannot make him think. It is entirely his choice, but perhaps if we are persistent, we can slowly persuade him to change his mind. Or, at least, moderate his position.
It was a reference to "The Horse to Water", but I wanted to make it poetic. To quote a man who taught the master of my favourite thinker, "All I know is that I know nothing."
I am pretty sure I am too full of self-doubt anyways to credit myself as being wise- either falsely or truly.
We'll see. But given how things have been as of late, her story is very convincing. It has an air...of being based in reality.
That's the Left in a nutshell.
Chopping off one's balls and shoving silicone-balloons into one's chest does not a man a woman.
Ah, so troll. Got it.
Kinda makes sense: people that stupid naturally would drown themselves in their showers or toilets long before they'd be capable of just reading and writing, let alone going online to post. shrug
Kinda makes sense: people that stupid naturally would drown themselves in their showers or toilets long before they'd be capable of just reading and writing, let alone going online to post. shrug
Skitzyfrenic
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I mean, sex and gender are separate, according to trans ideology, but the language and culture really hasn't caught up yet. According to trans ideology there's a difference between man and male. Obviously as a victim of sexual assault requesting only women (or females) a simple clarifying question should have been asked.
That the hospital did not do this, is further evidence they wanted to make an example out of someone.
A victim of sexual assault was denied something rather simple (Or just have the tans person come in after they went under, really this whole thing was super easy to avoid), the ability to be comfortable after suffering trauma. And really the Trans person is being paid, in part, to make patients comfortable. So their comfort is already covered by their pay.
So yeah, totally a political stunt by the hospital.
What's better is that this stunt confirms that the British do not think Healthcare is a human right. Because if it was, the patient would've gotten the surgery and the request would have been followed. Edit: If Healthcare is a human right then a Jewish doctor would treat Adolf Hitler.
Transgenders > Healthcare
Edit: Angry reacts always make me worry if people are angry at me, rather than what I'm pointing out. Lmao.
That the hospital did not do this, is further evidence they wanted to make an example out of someone.
A victim of sexual assault was denied something rather simple (Or just have the tans person come in after they went under, really this whole thing was super easy to avoid), the ability to be comfortable after suffering trauma. And really the Trans person is being paid, in part, to make patients comfortable. So their comfort is already covered by their pay.
So yeah, totally a political stunt by the hospital.
What's better is that this stunt confirms that the British do not think Healthcare is a human right. Because if it was, the patient would've gotten the surgery and the request would have been followed. Edit: If Healthcare is a human right then a Jewish doctor would treat Adolf Hitler.
Transgenders > Healthcare
Edit: Angry reacts always make me worry if people are angry at me, rather than what I'm pointing out. Lmao.
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Oooh, someone's upset.
Bear Ribs
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No, that's a misrepresentation. She asked for accommodation that the ECHRC stated she was entitled to, and the hospital refused to give her that. She didn't decide to leave after she wasn't accommodated, she was refused.
It's worth nothing the NHS guidelines insist on that accommodation being given to female Muslim patients.
Generally a Muslim woman is not allowed to be examined or surrounded by male members of medical staff. It is always preferable that a female member of the medical staff is present. In certain cases a Muslim woman may not agree to be examined or treated at all by a male staff member. In Islam free mixing of sexes is prohibited and there should be no physical contact between a woman and any man except her husband. Muslims should be accommodated in mixed wards only in emergencies.
It is difficult to justify the hospital's decision when the medical industry makes the same accommodation for other women, unless one feels Muslims are superior and deserve better treatment than other women.
Oh no, the doctors are just aware that they slight even one of the islamic women, the entire staff will be put in mortal danger. Muslims don't like it when outsiders act like they can misstreat their faith.
Bear Ribs
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You are incorrect, and need to double-check your facts before making such a false assertion. From the article:
She didn't cancel anything, the hospital refused to treat her and stated it was because of her beliefs.
mrttao
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You are a compulsive liar.
The hospital kicked her out to "protect the staff's feelings" from the injured rape victim's words.
Bear Ribs
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You claimed she chose not the have the surgery. She did want the surgery and was refused medical care. Your claim was factually incorrect.
Calling the reporters hate speech activists and tabloids is an ad hominem fallacy as well as an example of the poisoning the well fallacy, it is not a valid form of argumentation. The bias of the report will not change the actual facts, only the framing. The actual fact is she was refused treatment, not that she sought procedure elsewhere.
It's further factually incorrect. The facts in evidence have been reported in left-leaning publications such as the Metro with the exact same facts in evidence. There is no indication of bias in the reporting we have examined.
In fact, with a little digging, it's not hard to find a thread with the actual correspondence and read exactly what happened, with no framing possible. I would encourage you to do more research for yourself rather than make blatant errors in your facts like this, descending to insults instead of reporting on fact will not bring you success.
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It's worth nothing the woman's health has now deteriorated significantly, she's in great pain and may be too sick to have the life-saving surgery at this point.
Not angry at you, personally.
Angry usually means angry at what you've pointed out/we agree with, like when you post something humorous and the replies are "HaHa".That might change if there is a "WTF" reaction, but that'd be likely a way to show incredulously at something posted by you, not from you, if that makes sense?
Just because you keep repeating your trollish lie does not make it the truth.
The hospital refused the surgery, and violated this woman's rights, to protect the feeling of their trans staff, nothing more or less
But you will just keep going with the spin angle you are pushing, and keep trying to work on your 'project' for this site, which seems to be nothing more than trolling.
You won't 'de-radicalize' anyone here with this bullshit, partly because no one here is 'radicalized' in the way you think, and partly because you are such a low effort troll you are just going to be a pinata we metaphorically whack for likes.
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Yes, please.
Me in this thread: *in an RDJ voice* I AM A LIKE FARMER!
Could you stop refusing to actually engage the subject matter? You are literally apologizing for a grave breach in medical ethics, and for a hospital breaking the law and violating a person's rights...because of their politics.
And calling people "hate speech activists" for disagreeing with you is rather unbecoming.
Also, if you want to "deradicalize" us, you do know that trying to defend the indefensible and refusing to actually address our points is not going to win you any favour. In fact it is going to make what you are pitching, politically, unappealing to us. Though, you are probably just a troll and thus don't care about actually trying to convince us of trying to move to what you'd deem as a more "acceptable" position. And I am pretty sure this is just going to entrench the actual radicals further in this position, which again puts the lie to your claim that you are here to "deradicalize" people. If you wanted to "deradicalize" people, you wouldn't be acting in this atrocious manner.