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[LordsFire]

You were the one saying/implying 'absolute statements are hyperbole/shouldn't be taken seriously' to someone claiming the WHO is all bad, even if you admit the org is not a positive thing.

I pointed out why the WHO is corrupted by far more than just a few individuals, 'productive' work at the WHO hasn't existed for years now, and why the view of the WHO as 'all bad' is far from hyperbole these days.

You were trying for a "I am calling out your 'hyperbole' and nitpicking the issue to seem so mature and wise." stance with mrttao, I just pointed out that his view of the WHO as 'all bad' is not at all unreasonable.

Or how about this.

Pedantry and sophistry are for psuedointellectuals and nuance is for topics that aren't centered around the closest thing you can find to outright demonic in a biblical sense; evil.

Which the WHO absolutely is.

Save the nitpicking for people who aren't raising a legitimate point.

No, it isn't about pedantry. And no, it isn't about 'seeming so mature and wise.'

It's about not making unnecessary enemies.

I've known people who worked for the WHO. Like a lot of large organizations, especially ones based around 'idealism' with basically no accountability at the top, a significant chunk of the people working at the bottom of the organization are idealists trying to go out and help people.

Blindly naive idealists, yes, but they aren't hardened, corrupt people out to cause mass destruction.

Every time you make absolute statements that aren't just wrong, but are also treating all people within a group as if they are the same, you are making it harder to convince the naive idealists that good intentions aren't enough, and they need to be wise to the lies of wicked men who would use them as pawns.

It's particularly counter-productive, because if you want to use high-octane, emotionally charged language, you can still do that, just direct it at the people you know deserve it.

Call out Tedros. Call out whoever else in the higher echelons is actively maintaining the monstrosity that the WHO has become. Name them as the pawns of evil men and architects of misery and destruction they are.

But don't say that the intern working on distributing anti-malarial medicine in rural Africa is the same kind of monster that Tedros is, and that what he's doing can't help.

The organization is sick and twisted enough that it has to go. Use rhetoric that'll help the naive pawns that help prop it up see that they're being used, rather than drive them further into the arms of the monsters.

 

[Bacle]

No, it isn't about pedantry. And no, it isn't about 'seeming so mature and wise.'

It's about not making unnecessary enemies.

I've known people who worked for the WHO. Like a lot of large organizations, especially ones based around 'idealism' with basically no accountability at the top, a significant chunk of the people working at the bottom of the organization are idealists trying to go out and help people.

Blindly naive idealists, yes, but they aren't hardened, corrupt people out to cause mass destruction.

Every time you make absolute statements that aren't just wrong, but are also treating all people within a group as if they are the same, you are making it harder to convince the naive idealists that good intentions aren't enough, and they need to be wise to the lies of wicked men who would use them as pawns.

It's particularly counter-productive, because if you want to use high-octane, emotionally charged language, you can still do that, just direct it at the people you know deserve it.

Call out Tedros. Call out whoever else in the higher echelons is actively maintaining the monstrosity that the WHO has become. Name them as the pawns of evil men and architects of misery and destruction they are.

But don't say that the intern working on distributing anti-malarial medicine in rural Africa is the same kind of monster that Tedros is, and that what he's doing can't help.

The organization is sick and twisted enough that it has to go. Use rhetoric that'll help the naive pawns that help prop it up see that they're being used, rather than drive them further into the arms of the monsters.

And the same rhetoric you use here is why the corruption is never cleaned out from big agencies, unless the agencies themselves are dissolved and taken apart in detail.

If those naive interns want to do good, they have to be willing to walk away from corrupt organizations, not play the game their corrupt bosses want them to play. Because those interns do not control the purse strings, and they can still do good in other organizations who are not riddled with what is now literally genocide-scale corruption.

Also, lets not pretend the WHO isn't a political org more than a 'health' org, when it comes to leadership positions, just like the rest of the farce that is the UN. That is something the interns and media know, but like to ignore; one out of naiveity and misplace optimism, the other because they are part of the same systems of tentacles.

 

[LordsFire]

And the same rhetoric you use here is why the corruption is never cleaned out from big agencies, unless the agencies themselves are dissolved and taken apart in detail.

If those naive interns want to do good, they have to be willing to walk away from corrupt organizations, not play the game their corrupt bosses want them to play. Because those interns do not control the purse strings, and they can still do good in other organizations who are not riddled with what is now literally genocide-scale corruption.

Also, lets not pretend the WHO isn't a political org more than a 'health' org, when it comes to leadership positions, just like the rest of the farce that is the UN. That is something the interns and media know, but like to ignore; one out of naiveity and misplace optimism, the other because they are part of the same systems of tentacles.

Literally nothing in this post in any way responds to what I've said. You're arguing with some bizarro version of the position I've taken, that as best I can tell just seems to be based on a reflexive assumption I'm taking a much dumber position than I actually am.

 

[Bacle]

Literally nothing in this post in any way responds to what I've said. You're arguing with some bizarro version of the position I've taken, that as best I can tell just seems to be based on a reflexive assumption I'm taking a much dumber position than I actually am.

You were trying to make excuses for why people should not be hard on the WHO as an org, only the bosses, because it might hurt some interns feelings.

All while ignoring why the corruption has become so bad, and how it is far beyond the control or influence of interns.

At this point, anyone at the WHO who actually wants to help the world should be looking for ways to exit the organization and take their skills elsewhere.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

No, it isn't about pedantry. And no, it isn't about 'seeming so mature and wise.'

It's about not making unnecessary enemies.

If you work for the government, an NGO or an organization like WHO or the UN. You are my enemy and I harbor mistrust in my heart for you and will assume you are an evil person with a dangerous ulterior motive until the conduct of your character proves otherwise.

I do not humanize Bluehats I do not believe glowies have souls and I believe your average public servant is probably okay with human sacrifice.

I am quite content to hold these beliefs and they're beliefs that are very effective at luring people away from the cult of deconstructivism.

I've known people who worked for the WHO. Like a lot of large organizations, especially ones based around 'idealism' with basically no accountability at the top, a significant chunk of the people working at the bottom of the organization are idealists trying to go out and help people.

Blindly naive idealists, yes, but they aren't hardened, corrupt people out to cause mass destruction.

Every time you make absolute statements that aren't just wrong, but are also treating all people within a group as if they are the same, you are making it harder to convince the naive idealists that good intentions aren't enough, and they need to be wise to the lies of wicked men who would use them as pawns.

It's particularly counter-productive, because if you want to use high-octane, emotionally charged language, you can still do that, just direct it at the people you know deserve it.

Why should I care for those people? Who serve evil men and defend them and defend the organization?

But don't say that the intern working on distributing anti-malarial medicine in rural Africa is the same kind of monster that Tedros is, and that what he's doing can't help.

He is a servant of those men and complicit in a plot to kill over a billion people at a bare minimum.

The organization is sick and twisted enough that it has to go. Use rhetoric that'll help the naive pawns that help prop it up see that they're being used, rather than drive them further into the arms of the monsters.

By this logic Truman should have considered the poor pawns in Tokyo, or Nagasaki.

Or better yet- when he refused to let MacArthur loose on China.

 

[mrttao]

intern

Ohhh, won't somebody please think of the children interns!
(interns being young, naive, unpaid, have no say or rights... hmm.)

Spoiler

But don't say that the intern working on distributing anti-malarial medicine in rural Africa is the same kind of monster that Tedros is, and that what he's doing can't help.

They are not the same kind of monster, but they are literally the foot soldiers of the devil.
Moreover if the WHO is distributing anti malaria drugs in africa it probably does so out of malicious agenda. For example like when they were violating informed consent by telling them it is completed well tested drugs but in fact were using african children as test subjects for dangerous untested medicine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_experimentation_in_Africa#HIV/AIDS_testing_in_Zimbabwe:_1990s

CDC and WHO wanted to test a brand new anti HIV drug for pregnant women. Such drugs already existed mind you. So they went to africa, violated informed consent by lying to these pregnant women with HIV by telling them they are giving them a proven to work drug... when in fact half of them were given a placebo while the other half were given an experimental drug. All without their knowledge and consent.

There actually existed treatments already that could have been given, but they needed to run the experiment. Thousands of babies were born with HIV that would not have had they given all the pregnant mothers the existing medicine. Or at least compared between existing medicine and experimental. Or instead of having a placebo group compared it to the "took nothing" population at large (information that already exists). Technically not as rigorous scientifically speaking.

But yea lets think of the poor interns who "just want to do good". I guess they just... didn't notice the whole thing while doing it

And this shit is just what the corrupted wikipedia will print. There are many more things that are being actively memory holed so that they are harder to source

 

[Zachowon]

Not all interns are unpaid

 

[Rocinante]

Not all interns are unpaid

What's your point?

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

More negroid privilege.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Whistleblowers say death rates are up 1100% year to year in US armed forces.

Surely it's not the clot shot.

 

[mrttao]

Whistleblowers say death rates are up 1100% year to year in US armed forces.

Surely it's not the clot shot.

Oh, I didn't even consider the shot. I thought they were silencing dissidents.

 

[Cherico]

More negroid privilege.

california was a free state, we litterally have nothing to apologize for on that front, we were from our begining a free state, we fought in the civil war to end slavery. We owe fucking nothing.

 

[mrttao]

Only 0.5% of american's owned slaves. And black americans are often the descendants of the slave owners (because they raped their slaves). So... should the reparations be paid by the african americans then? they are after all the heirs of the slave owners.

 

[Cherico]

Only 0.5% of american's owned slaves. And black americans are often the descendants of the slave owners (because they raped their slaves). So... should the reparations be paid by the african americans then? they are after all the heirs of the slave owners.

Then you get into another thing.

America is agreed to have been an independent country since 1776, slavery ended in 1865. Thats 89 years. Our country has been free of legalized slavery for 156 years.

The last slave to die of old age Peter Mills died in 1972 that means the last person to experience actual slavery in the united states died 50 years ago.

There comes a time when people have to get over shit and move on with their lives. Its been over 150 fucking years, over 150 FUCKING YEARS. Its time for people to get over that shit.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Only 0.5% of american's owned slaves. And black americans are often the descendants of the slave owners (because they raped their slaves). So... should the reparations be paid by the african americans then? they are after all the heirs of the slave owners.

There were also black slave owners, some of whom owned some of the largest plantations in North Amarica.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

More negroid privilege.

Congratulations on one of the most blatant violations of rule 2a possible. While we may allow bigoted idiots (that would be you and your rampant anti-semitic, white nationalist, and nazi adjacent behavior - along with your love of sex toy pictures) to post their bigoted and idiotic views thanks to our position on freedom of speech; we are under no obligation to refrain from factoring them into your punishments when you do plainly violate the rules.

So since, yes, you are a racist bigot we thank you for giving us such an open and shut case to whack you hard. And be warned, if and when you ever come back that ANY future violation of any of the rules via the same or similar behavior WILL see you hit with a permanent ban. We've tried private encouragement, we've tried friendly reminders, we've tried other punishments and you've ignored them all. So have a year off and know that this is us being nice and lenient.

 

[ATP]

Oh, I didn't even consider the shot. I thought they were silencing dissidents.

Or their agents who was no longer needed.How many democrats was Arkansided by Hillary?

 

[Captain X]

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[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I dont know if this is a genuine reaction to the Vax, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was. What concerns me is the ER turning this kid away.

That is insanity.