Breaking News FBI raids Trump's Mar-a-Largo Resort home

[DarthOne]

Yeah, that's not going to go over well if the Deep State pulls it off....

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Free Corps forwards!
America is burning!
Take your rifle in hand!

 

[Arch Dornan]

Sean Hannity: FBI Personnel Are Demanding Chris Wray Step Down - At Least 20 Whistleblowers Have Stepped Forward (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Sean Hannity opened his show on Tuesday night by discussing the chaos at the thoroughly corrupt FBI.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Cherico]

Sean Hannity: FBI Personnel Are Demanding Chris Wray Step Down - At Least 20 Whistleblowers Have Stepped Forward (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Sean Hannity opened his show on Tuesday night by discussing the chaos at the thoroughly corrupt FBI.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

they might be fucked when november ends.

 

[Sobek]

This honestly looks like panic

 

[Megadeath]

It's Russia gate 2.0, this time with extra spite and illegality.

Anything he had at MAL was deemed declassified, per Trump's standing order.

The Dems are trying to completely up end US law on executive abilities to declassify, just to protect themselves from Trump and possibly Durham.

Even Tom Clancy couldn't make this shit up.

Edit: Oh, and gaslighting about dirty bombs as well. That was a whole new level of wtf.

Except, whether it's classified or not isn't even what really matters? I mean, it's worse if they are, and there's absolutely no proof of the declassification order. Regardless of that though, the files are government records. There's rules for their storage regardless of classification, and they weren't followed. They belong to the government, not trump. They're important for future reference and government continuity, and he was told to give them back but didn't. Indeed, him and his team lied and obfuscated to try and retain them.
The media like to reduce things to the simplest and most exciting level, and "top secret" sounds great in headlines, but even ignoring it his behaviour was both illegal and unethical.

 

[Terthna]

Sean Hannity: FBI Personnel Are Demanding Chris Wray Step Down - At Least 20 Whistleblowers Have Stepped Forward (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Sean Hannity opened his show on Tuesday night by discussing the chaos at the thoroughly corrupt FBI.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

The corruption in the FBI goes far deeper than just one man; the whole thing needs to be dismantled in its entirety, along with every other three-letter government organization.

 

[Abhorsen]

As much as this is clearly a political hitjob, this is a hitjob where they finally seemed to get their ducks in a row. Trump had presidential records (classified or not doesn't matter) as a private citizen in a place they weren't supposed to be. I think he's broken the letter of the law here. Nate the Lawyer goes into the specifics, but him just having the government records seems to be breaking the law.



Now should he be prosecuted for this? No. But he could be.

 

[LordsFire]

Except, whether it's classified or not isn't even what really matters? I mean, it's worse if they are, and there's absolutely no proof of the declassification order. Regardless of that though, the files are government records. There's rules for their storage regardless of classification, and they weren't followed. They belong to the government, not trump. They're important for future reference and government continuity, and he was told to give them back but didn't. Indeed, him and his team lied and obfuscated to try and retain them.
The media like to reduce things to the simplest and most exciting level, and "top secret" sounds great in headlines, but even ignoring it his behaviour was both illegal and unethical.

1. The President has the authority to literally just verbally say 'I'm declassifying this,' and it's a fait accompli. That's part of the power of the office.

2. All presidents take records from the office with them. In order for Trump to be in legal trouble, he would need to A) have the only copies of said records, B) refuse to allow the Fed access, which he explicitly had done, and C) there would need to be legal proceedings to demonstrate that he both had records he was not supposed to, and knew that, in order for him to be legally liable.

3. Even if the records should not have been there, a warrant should not have been issued by a biased judge, it should have been narrowly-tailored to the documents in question, and the manner in which the raid was conducted was beyond unacceptable.

4. The fact that Obama's much, much, much larger stockpile of records taken or destroyed has had zero legal action taken regarding it whatsoever, and five years out of office, demonstrates the fact that this is blatantly based on political partisanship, not actual concern for violation of the law.

 

[Cherico]

Except, whether it's classified or not isn't even what really matters? I mean, it's worse if they are, and there's absolutely no proof of the declassification order. Regardless of that though, the files are government records. There's rules for their storage regardless of classification, and they weren't followed. They belong to the government, not trump. They're important for future reference and government continuity, and he was told to give them back but didn't. Indeed, him and his team lied and obfuscated to try and retain them.
The media like to reduce things to the simplest and most exciting level, and "top secret" sounds great in headlines, but even ignoring it his behaviour was both illegal and unethical.

You know what Im glad you have this atitude, when we do the exact same thing to the left your officially not allowed to bitch moan or complain about any of it.

Because while your sitting here feeling smug I want to remind you that Hilary Clinton did much worse when she put state secrets on an unsescured email server. I want to remind you that her actions during the election and after wards are a much worse scandal then water gate and can potentially get her executed for treason.

I want you to remember that, also remember we can go after Obama, and Bill Clinton if their records are not in perfect shape. You guys have crafted quite the weapon don't complain when its used against you.

 

[Sobek]

Yeah this all rings hollow when the left and Uniparty stooges can do much, much worse and feel nothing.

I want you to remember that, also remember we can go after Obama, and Bill Clinton if their records are not in perfect shape. You guys have crafted quite the weapon don't complain when its used against you.

Obama's records are all rotting away in a warehouse in Chicago and he promised he was gonna make it public and never did, so there is that.

They have no standards. Pointing out the hypocrisy only works to get people on our side, but to them it means nothing because they don't apply the standards to themselves. Any attempt at "being fair" is hollow and hopeless, because they will NEVER play ball and do the same. Stop pretending that is the case. This is not the loyal opposition, this is the enemy.

 

[Cherico]

Yeah this all rings hollow when the left and Uniparty stooges can do much, much worse and feel nothing.



Obama's records are all rotting away in a warehouse in Chicago and he promised he was gonna make it public and never did, so there is that.

They have no standards. Pointing out the hypocrisy only works to get people on our side, but to them it means nothing because they don't apply the standards to themselves. Any attempt at "being fair" is hollow and hopeless, because they will NEVER play ball and do the same. Stop pretending that is the case. This is not the loyal opposition, this is the enemy.

The time for the golden rule is over.

Now its time for the silver rule do to others what they do to you.

 

[Megadeath]

1. The President has the authority to literally just verbally say 'I'm declassifying this,' and it's a fait accompli. That's part of the power of the office.

2. All presidents take records from the office with them. In order for Trump to be in legal trouble, he would need to A) have the only copies of said records, B) refuse to allow the Fed access, which he explicitly had done, and C) there would need to be legal proceedings to demonstrate that he both had records he was not supposed to, and knew that, in order for him to be legally liable.

3. Even if the records should not have been there, a warrant should not have been issued by a biased judge, it should have been narrowly-tailored to the documents in question, and the manner in which the raid was conducted was beyond unacceptable.

4. The fact that Obama's much, much, much larger stockpile of records taken or destroyed has had zero legal action taken regarding it whatsoever, and five years out of office, demonstrates the fact that this is blatantly based on political partisanship, not actual concern for violation of the law.

No. The president has the power to declassify anything, but there is still a process to follow. As demonstrated by him claiming he was declassifying things and then not actually doing so on more than one occasion.

"Everyone does it." is not a legal defence. Nor is it true. Certain documents are often retained, but they're of particular type, carefully chosen and specified through a particular process. They can't just grab whatever they like on their way out the door.

Biased judge my ass. Nor is that actually relevant to what I said, which is that trump did the wrong thing and the classification isn't really that relevant to that. Playing what-aboutism doesn't change that either.

You know what Im glad you have this atitude, when we do the exact same thing to the left your officially not allowed to bitch moan or complain about any of it.

Because while your sitting here feeling smug I want to remind you that Hilary Clinton did much worse when she put state secrets on an unsescured email server. I want to remind you that her actions during the election and after wards are a much worse scandal then water gate and can potentially get her executed for treason.

I want you to remember that, also remember we can go after Obama, and Bill Clinton if their records are not in perfect shape. You guys have crafted quite the weapon don't complain when its used against you.

Us guys? Yeah, we had quite the all nighter planning this, but in the end I like to think I was instrumental in the success of the operation. I'm not even American, jackass and I agree that what Hilary did was wrong. But as I said, what-aboutism doesn't make what trump did right or legal. It certainly doesn't impact the actual point of my post, that focusing on the classification of the documents is kind of a moot point.

 

[Cherico]

No. The president has the power to declassify anything, but there is still a process to follow. As demonstrated by him claiming he was declassifying things and then not actually doing so on more than one occasion.

"Everyone does it." is not a legal defence. Nor is it true. Certain documents are often retained, but they're of particular type, carefully chosen and specified through a particular process. They can't just grab whatever they like on their way out the door.

Biased judge my ass. Nor is that actually relevant to what I said, which is that trump did the wrong thing and the classification isn't really that relevant to that. Playing what-aboutism doesn't change that either.


Us guys? Yeah, we had quite the all nighter planning this, but in the end I like to think I was instrumental in the success of the operation. I'm not even American, jackass and I agree that what Hilary did was wrong. But as I said, what-aboutism doesn't make what trump did right or legal. It certainly doesn't impact the actual point of my post, that focusing on the classification of the documents is kind of a moot point.

if your not american then why are you pretending to know american law better then we do?

 

[King Arts]

No. The president has the power to declassify anything, but there is still a process to follow. As demonstrated by him claiming he was declassifying things and then not actually doing so on more than one occasion.

"Everyone does it." is not a legal defence. Nor is it true. Certain documents are often retained, but they're of particular type, carefully chosen and specified through a particular process. They can't just grab whatever they like on their way out the door.

Biased judge my ass. Nor is that actually relevant to what I said, which is that trump did the wrong thing and the classification isn't really that relevant to that. Playing what-aboutism doesn't change that either.


Us guys? Yeah, we had quite the all nighter planning this, but in the end I like to think I was instrumental in the success of the operation. I'm not even American, jackass and I agree that what Hilary did was wrong. But as I said, what-aboutism doesn't make what trump did right or legal. It certainly doesn't impact the actual point of my post, that focusing on the classification of the documents is kind of a moot point.

No the president can declassify anything by merely speaking it. He also can decide who is cleared to know classified information. While he was president, if he wished it he could have let Ivanka, and Baron, or anyone else know anything he wanted.
But you seem to be one of those moderate conservacucks. "Well this guy who is being oppressed by the left our enemy did something wrong, so we have to accept that he should be punished."
Fuck that kind of bullshit in the name of not being "corrupt"

 

[LordsFire]

No. The president has the power to declassify anything, but there is still a process to follow. As demonstrated by him claiming he was declassifying things and then not actually doing so on more than one occasion.

The President is the supreme authority over the executive branch of the government.

Anything that the executive branch is empowered to do, he can do. The executive branch is empowered to determine classification levels. Therefore he can classify and declassify as he pleases.

Further, if he wanted he had the legal authority to change how other people get to gain or lose clearance and/or classify and declassify things.

He does not serve the Federal executive bureaucracy and its processes, those processes serve him, as the duly elected representative of the people.

 

[Bacle]

The President is the supreme authority over the executive branch of the government.

Anything that the executive branch is empowered to do, he can do. The executive branch is empowered to determine classification levels. Therefore he can classify and declassify as he pleases.

Further, if he wanted he had the legal authority to change how other people get to gain or lose clearance and/or classify and declassify things.

He does not serve the Federal executive bureaucracy and its processes, those processes serve him, as the duly elected representative of the people.

They want to 'annul' the Trump presidency in every way possible, and are willing/able to break any legal/social limit to achieve it while they have control.

Rescinding Trump's declassification ability and ignoring the standing order Trump gave, in order to protect themselves and hurt Trump's ability to run in 2024 (pre-emptive coup is how this should be viewed), is a big step towards fulfilling the wish of making the Russiagate hoax into effective political history, and remove even more legal barriers to there power.

The powers in DC know many in the mass media consuming public will buy their bullshit without any critical thinking or deeper examination, how many Never-Trumpers will go along with it, and how little power the truth of them breaking another foundational part of US law, to get at Trump, has in the majority of the public.

 

[Megadeath]

if your not american then why are you pretending to know american law better then we do?

Lol, does geographic location provide secret, special knowledge? Is the American law code kept hidden from other people? Am I in fact wrong about some particular in what I've said? Or, maybe you're just making ad hominem attacks because I'm right, you can't contest it and it makes you feel stupid. Who knows?

No the president can declassify anything by merely speaking it. He also can decide who is cleared to know classified information. While he was president, if he wished it he could have let Ivanka, and Baron, or anyone else know anything he wanted.
But you seem to be one of those moderate conservacucks. "Well this guy who is being oppressed by the left our enemy did something wrong, so we have to accept that he should be punished."
Fuck that kind of bullshit in the name of not being "corrupt"

Well... There's absolutely no evidence of him giving any such instruction, the markings weren't adjusted to reflect a change in classification as required, and as you say the authority to decide that resides with the president not the ex-president, so he kinda needs to prove it occurred when he was. And again, regardless of classification it was wrong and illegal.
As for the rest, that's a new characterisation of me I've not heard before, and a worrying attitude. "Who cares about the rules? What matters is who's on our side!"

The President is the supreme authority over the executive branch of the government.

Anything that the executive branch is empowered to do, he can do. The executive branch is empowered to determine classification levels. Therefore he can classify and declassify as he pleases.

Further, if he wanted he had the legal authority to change how other people get to gain or lose clearance and/or classify and declassify things.

He does not serve the Federal executive bureaucracy and its processes, those processes serve him, as the duly elected representative of the people.

And, once more... My entire initial point is, it does not matter about the classification! Jeez...

 

[Cherico]

Lol, does geographic location provide secret, special knowledge? Is the American law code kept hidden from other people? Am I in fact wrong about some particular in what I've said? Or, maybe you're just making ad hominem attacks because I'm right, you can't contest it and it makes you feel stupid. Who knows?


Well... There's absolutely no evidence of him giving any such instruction, the markings weren't adjusted to reflect a change in classification as required, and as you say the authority to decide that resides with the president not the ex-president, so he kinda needs to prove it occurred when he was. And again, regardless of classification it was wrong and illegal.
As for the rest, that's a new characterisation of me I've not heard before, and a worrying attitude. "Who cares about the rules? What matters is who's on our side!"


And, once more... My entire initial point is, it does not matter about the classification! Jeez...

you do not know what your talking about megadeath.

The american system doesn't work like what ever parlamentary system your used to. Maybe take your atitude and fix the country you live in first before trying to impose your way of life on some one else.

 

[Bigking321]

Even if Trump had some still classified stuff (he didn't, the fbis thing is bs) the fbi released that staged photo of the stuff they "found". If it was somehow still classified they just publicly showed them. The only way they don't get in trouble for that is if the documents are declassified already.

Bunch of big brains over there. Either what they claim about Trump is right and THEY released classified documents or the stuff they claimed about Trump is bs and they didn't release classified documents.

 

[Megadeath]

you do not know what your talking about megadeath.

The american system doesn't work like what ever parlamentary system your used to. Maybe take your atitude and fix the country you live in first before trying to impose your way of life on some one else.

And you're not actually disputing any part of it, just hurling "You're wrong." and ad hominem attacks. Because, in fact, you can't! Also, rather obviously, what I know doesn't come from just sitting and watching our local government in action. There's quite a bit publicly available on how american law works, and they don't even ask to see your passport before you're allowed access!

Even if Trump had some still classified stuff (he didn't, the fbis thing is bs) the fbi released that staged photo of the stuff they "found". If it was somehow still classified they just publicly showed them. The only way they don't get in trouble for that is if the documents are declassified already.

Bunch of big brains over there. Either what they claim about Trump is right and THEY released classified documents or the stuff they claimed about Trump is bs and they didn't release classified documents.

And... AGAIN... Whether it was classified or not is immaterial to the meat of the issue. Which is that trump, who was not the government, had government records and files, and did not give them back when told to and lied and obfuscated instead.

Also, if you go and look at the released photos, how much information do you think is actually visible? The cover letter showing classification and such is not (generally) itself classified.