Fallout Fallout General Thread - War, War Never Changes. Nor do game engines.

Hlaalu Agent

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Isn't part of the usual argument of why Real-Communism's never been tried that Communist Nations have hard times doing trading due to Non-Communist Powers pulling strings and/or refusing to trade with said Communist Nations and maybe even being at war with them or keeping others from becoming Communist?

I am sure those idiots say a lot of things. Though, I think I have heard such insane ramblings to that effect.

Though, going to point out that canonically the Soviet Union had reached detente with the USA in the timeline given their diplomats or some of them were allowed into the Vault. And given that, I am inclined to believe that the war wasn't ideological and ideology was just used to propagandize people for the war effort on both sides. Rather, I am pretty sure it is entirely based on control over the Earth's dwindling resources, and this is entirely supported by canon.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I am sure those idiots say a lot of things. Though, I think I have heard such insane ramblings to that effect.

Though, going to point out that canonically the Soviet Union had reached detente with the USA in the timeline given their diplomats or some of them were allowed into the Vault. And given that, I am inclined to believe that the war wasn't ideological and ideology was just used to propagandize people for the war effort on both sides. Rather, I am pretty sure it is entirely based on control over the Earth's dwindling resources, and this is entirely supported by canon.

I gotta guess that even China was verging into the whole sort of State-Capitalist way of doing things that current China's got
 

Hlaalu Agent

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I gotta guess that even China was verging into the whole sort of State-Capitalist way of doing things that current China's got

Quite possibly. Though given the whole Lol!50's bent Bethseda did, it might still be Maoist. You know what I prefer the original Fallout games setting and tone.

On something else how about the survival of prewar crime culture?

It would be a treat for the word gangsta to survive. Grove Street for life homie.

Ah shit here we go again as CJ gets cryoed to wake up and find Grove Street down in the dumps.

He decides to recreate the Grove Street Families, as a multi-racial and even multispecies crime syndicate.
 

CarlManvers2019

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On something else how about the survival of prewar crime culture?

It would be a treat for the word gangsta to survive. Grove Street for life homie.

Ah shit here we go again as CJ gets cryoed to wake up and find Grove Street down in the dumps.

I doubt things like "Rap" or "Black Culture" as we know it today EVER came to exist. it's all 50s stereotypes.
 

commanderkai

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Technically, some of the tribal societies around are likely "communist" in the sense of sharing resources for the common good yada yada yada. Perhaps your settlements in Fallout 4 too. Not like I'm paying the settlers at Sanctuary Hills to make me mutfruit and corn for my adhesives.
 

Arch Dornan

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I doubt things like "Rap" or "Black Culture" as we know it today EVER came to exist. it's all 50s stereotypes.
Could be there somewhere just not in the nice places.

Reason for me is to get da gangsta idolisation up the max to the absurd to saint row crazy.

Imagine Ryder Ninja Style Clans, big smoke statues and other famous gangsta statues as they quote steroetypical gang lingo.

GTA San Andreas Fallout Edition now 200% Post Nuke Gangsta.
 

Battlegrinder

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Obozny
Since everyone keeps saying so, what are the recommended lists of mods for Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas?

For Fallout NV, the main ones I run are
underground hideout
Project Nevada
A World of Pain
The Someguy Series
Bobbleheads
Weapon Mod Expanded
Pancor Jackhammer
G3SG1
B92FS
NCR Trooper Overhaul
SunnyCompanion
Survivor's Power Armor
Darker Nights/Interior lighting overhaul
No armor speed penalty

And then a bunch of compatiblity mods, perk fixes, stability mods, and the like.


For 3, I think it's mostly just underground Hideout, weapon mods, Fellout, and I think wanderer's edition.
 

Navarro

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That's only because "civilization" breaks the franchise's meta, which is why the DLC let's you nuke both capitals (which wouldn't be a total death knell for the Legion like it would for the NCR) and why the Brotherhood turned into blimp Nazis that can only survive if you either kill the cool faction or rely on Fallout's signature bugginess to forestall a major confrontation.

Personally, I think the reason for the Brotherhood's abrupt turn from generic good guys in FO3 into authoritarian militarists in FO4 isn't because 'civilization' would break the meta but that when FO4 was originally concieved (around the same time as FO3, given the heavy hints in the latter game) they weren't the Brotherhood but another faction. Especially as originally in FO3's development there was no such thing as the Eastern BOS.

But yeah, civilisation does break the Fallout meta - Fallout's setting is the lawless post-apocalyptic American wasteland, which means by necessity things have to move around as areas become more civilised. A Fallout game set in the NCR's core region around the 2280s wouldn't be Fallout, it'd be Grand Theft Auto: Shady Sands.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Personally, I think the reason from the Brotherhood's abrupt turn from generic good guys in FO3 into authoritarian militarists in FO4 isn't because 'civilization' would break the meta but that when FO4 was originally concieved (around the same time as FO3, given the heavy hints in the latter game) they weren't the Brotherhood but another faction. Especially as originally in FO3's development there was no such thing as the Eastern BOS.

I saw some speculation before that Sarah Lyons may have been assassinated and that the Brotherhood Outcasts when deciding to reunite, even if willing to tolerate or accept wastelanders, thought it was needed for a firmer hand on thinhs
 

Navarro

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I saw some speculation before that Sarah Lyons may have been assassinated and that the Brotherhood Outcasts when deciding to reunite, even if willing to tolerate or accept wastelanders, thought it was needed for a firmer hand on things

We're not talking in-universe here, but out-of-universe.

But yes, the Eastern Brotherhood's history between FO3 and FO4 is very sketchy, especially with claims that we know from FNV aren't true (for instance, nobody on the West Coast praises Arthur Maxson or even seems to know that he exists) and others that are highly implausible.
 

CarlManvers2019

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We're not talking in-universe here, but out-of-universe.

But yes, the Eastern Brotherhood's history between FO3 and FO4 is very sketchy, especially with claims that we know from FNV aren't true (for instance, nobody on the West Coast praises Arthur Maxson or even seems to know that he exists) and others that are highly implausible.

I bet the writers didn’t pay too much attention to continuity when writing Fallout 4 then
 

Navarro

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But yeah, civilisation does break the Fallout meta - Fallout's setting is the lawless post-apocalyptic American wasteland, which means by necessity things have to move around as areas become more civilised. A Fallout game set in the NCR's core region around the 2280s wouldn't be Fallout, it'd be Grand Theft Auto: Shady Sands.

I mean, that's why the sequel to my fanfic isn't titled Fallout: The Eagle And The Bear. Because by that point in time the wasteland is dead. There are no more raiders, just regular criminals. No more rangers travelling between wasteland towns or vigilantes - just cops and soldiers. No more lone heroes defiantly standing up against supervillains - because there's no situation in which getting access to a treasure trove of pre-War tech allows you to become a supervillain before getting nipped in the bud.

And yet ... war, war never changes (it's funny in this regard despite the recurring tagline that FO3 was the first Fallout game to actually be about a war, rather than a supervillain plot).
 

CarlManvers2019

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I hope your fic doesn’t end up involving nukes and the NCR fucking things up so bad that things go Mad Max again....they alreafy sound real fucking desperate and near fanatical about their hatred of the Enclave whom they view in the same vein as the Nazi’s to the point of considering them pure evil even without enough evidence
 

Navarro

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I hope your fic doesn’t end up involving nukes and the NCR fucking things up so bad that things go Mad Max again....they alreafy sound real fucking desperate and near fanatical about their hatred of the Enclave whom they view in the same vein as the Nazi’s to the point of considering them pure evil even without enough evidence

My name isn't Chris Avellone. ;)
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Sooner or later everything must evolve in order to continue telling meaningful stories, no? There're other places like Canada and Mexico, that could serve as the next setting for the story.

They could even go to China, with an american-as-applepie soldier who as part of an invading force ended up with his company in deep-freeze before getting unthawed 200 or so years later.
 

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