Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

Jormungandr

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Not really. In the UK at least they have repeatedly voted against the levels of immigration they’ve gotten and the government has repeatedly ignored them no matter who they vote into power. Rather like the Democrats and Republicans really.
Recent events have basically proven that our government is a sham, too.

We have an unelected Prime Minister who just appointed one of the most hated politicians (as a Lord, no less) as foreign secretary; London is basically one giant Middle-Eastern bazaar-turned-shithole with a mayor that has suspect tendencies; and one of the few MP's that openly said what everyone was thinking --that multiculturalism does not work, is a sham, causes nothing but problems, and that migrants segregate not integrate-- was vilified and sacked like a metaphorical Cersei Lannister ("Shame! Shame! Shame!").

Our farmlands, which are you know, used to growing food, are basically being built on for housing to support the sheer amount of fucking migrants flooding us.

We're basically slowly but inevitably slitting our own throats.
 

Vyor

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Recent events have basically proven that our government is a sham, too.

We have an unelected Prime Minister who just appointed one of the most hated politicians (as a Lord, no less) as foreign secretary; London is basically one giant Middle-Eastern bazaar-turned-shithole with a mayor that has suspect tendencies; and one of the few MP's that openly said what everyone was thinking --that multiculturalism does not work, is a sham, causes nothing but problems, and that migrants segregate not integrate-- was vilified and sacked like a metaphorical Cersei Lannister ("Shame! Shame! Shame!").

Our farmlands, which are you know, used to growing food, are basically being built on for housing to support the sheer amount of fucking migrants flooding us.

We're basically slowly but inevitably slitting our own throats.
Not really. In the UK at least they have repeatedly voted against the levels of immigration they’ve gotten and the government has repeatedly ignored them no matter who they vote into power. Rather like the Democrats and Republicans really.

That your countries are fucked because you/they voted labor for, what was it, 10-20 years? And consistently pushed further left.

Over and over and over and over and over again

Does not mean america is fucked.
 

Jormungandr

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That your countries are fucked because you/they voted labor for, what was it, 10-20 years? And consistently pushed further left.

Over and over and over and over and over again

Does not mean america is fucked.
Each country has a two-party system which has caused a ton of societal issues and disruptions. Neither of the four parties in two countries have the country's and people's best interests at heart.

Although, to be fair your Republicans are just splattered in shit and aren't made of shit like your Democrats, and having a non-controlled opposition/non-RINO government might actually help a lot of issues America has, so there's actual hope for you.

In the UK? Welp!

We've got third parties that are either basically jokes (Greens), just outright bad ideas (LibDems), basically communist (Labour), the Tories (yeah, them), national parties that only care for their own (which is understandable), e.g. that Welsh one I cannot for the life of me remember the name of, the SNP (which has lost a lot of relevance since the whole Sturgeon scandal), et cetera, or minor parties that will never get a real foothold in our government (Farage's parties) or are outright batshit crazies (BNP, et cetera).

We're both still pretty fucked in different ways, but you've got a hopeful way out or a way to mitigate some of the damage. shrug
 

IndyFront

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And if your mantra is "Give up" then they own you too.

It's better to make them sweat as much as you can, than to roll over and give up.
At the same time you shouldn't allow them to manipulate you emotionally. If you're able to detach yourself and not care so much about one outcome or the other, then they have no power over you.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
At the same time you shouldn't allow them to manipulate you emotionally. If you're able to detach yourself and not care so much about one outcome or the other, then they have no power over you.
Until the political power you have surrendered to them is used to put you in all kinds of nasty situations, anyways.

Apathy and nihilism are the path to self-destruction. Do not embrace them.
 

Jormungandr

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I believe he’s drawing comparison between the political parties of the USA and UK and how, while they do have more then two parties, for all intents and purposes besides the Big Two (Democrats/Republicans and Labor/Tories) the other parties might as well not exist thanks to the huge sway the Big Two have.
This. It's a two party system in both countries.

In the States you have the Democrats and Republicans, while in the UK you have the Tories and Labour; except for a rare coalition government a few years back (which fell apart eventually because, newsflash, they had opposite viewpoints on everything and anything!), the other parties are pretty much irrelevant on a national (United Kingdom, not England/Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland) level.

I get rambly when I'm tired, heh.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
That your countries are fucked because you/they voted labor for, what was it, 10-20 years? And consistently pushed further left.

Over and over and over and over and over again

Does not mean america is fucked.
Yes it does because you run the same system.

Left is in power in the US as well, since... oh 1970 at the latest, possibly since 1945 or even earlier.

Voting Democrats will push you further left.
Voting Republicans will push you further left... slightly slower.

So yeah, you are screwed as well.

Thing is, it doesn't matter who votes. What matters is who controls the purse.
 

Vyor

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Yes it does because you run the same system.

Left is in power in the US as well, since... oh 1970 at the latest, possibly since 1945 or even earlier.

Voting Democrats will push you further left.
Voting Republicans will push you further left... slightly slower.

So yeah, you are screwed as well.

Thing is, it doesn't matter who votes. What matters is who controls the purse.

We have had several right wing governments over that timespan. Nixon and Reagan are among the most well known, but Bush Sr was quite right wing too. Hell, Bush Jr was relatively right wing, closer to the center than others but he certainly wasn't left wing. If Bush's government was left wing the AWB would have been renewed.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
We have had several right wing governments over that timespan. Nixon and Reagan are among the most well known, but Bush Sr was quite right wing too. Hell, Bush Jr was relatively right wing, closer to the center than others but he certainly wasn't left wing. If Bush's government was left wing the AWB would have been renewed.
You don't understand.

Government is not power. Government is expression of power. Yes, Nixon, Reagan and Bush were kinda-sorta right wing. But what, exactly, did they do to undermine Left's power base? Reagan did something, I think, but that got reversed quite quickly. Bush may have done something - but I honestly don't recall him doing anything that really mattered.

But real power is in the Cathedral / Establishment / Deep State / Shadow Government. What, exactly, did any of them do to dismantle it?

That is why I said that "Voting Republicans will push you to the Left slightly slower". Until Republicans understand precisely where Left's power comes from, and attack there, all electoral and political victories will be nothing but missed opportunities.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
The deep state wasn't left wing in the time of Bush, Nixon, and Reagan.
Yes, it was. And it did its best to frustrate their efforts at de-Communizing the US.

Deep State had been leftist basically since the beginning. 1900 at the very least, and I would argue, it has been leftist since the Federalists had won.

Only thing unique today is how much power it weilds.
 

Zachowon

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Yes, it was. And it did its best to frustrate their efforts at de-Communizing the US.

Deep State had been leftist basically since the beginning. 1900 at the very least, and I would argue, it has been leftist since the Federalists had won.

Only thing unique today is how much power it weilds.
The deep state hated the communists so kuch that it led to the teachings to enter into the schools.

The deep state still isn't communist.
They are just anti conservative
 

Ixian

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You don't understand.

Government is not power. Government is expression of power. Yes, Nixon, Reagan and Bush were kinda-sorta right wing. But what, exactly, did they do to undermine Left's power base? Reagan did something, I think, but that got reversed quite quickly. Bush may have done something - but I honestly don't recall him doing anything that really mattered.

But real power is in the Cathedral / Establishment / Deep State / Shadow Government. What, exactly, did any of them do to dismantle it?

That is why I said that "Voting Republicans will push you to the Left slightly slower". Until Republicans understand precisely where Left's power comes from, and attack there, all electoral and political victories will be nothing but missed opportunities.

All Bush did was expand the power of the Executive branch, which means he expanded the power for whichever party happens to hold the white house.
 

Bacle

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You don't understand.

Government is not power.
Eh, they are 'close enough for government work'; those who control the nukes/planes/large arms and the intel agencies controls the nation and whatever power that nation has.

You come at this from a too philosophical and less practical point of view; power is force and the ability to use it, nothing more or less.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Eh, they are 'close enough for government work'; those who control the nukes/planes/large arms and the intel agencies controls the nation and whatever power that nation has.

You come at this from a too philosophical and less practical point of view; power is force and the ability to use it, nothing more or less.
In order to use power, you have to have information - unless your goal is to just destroy everything.

What use are the nukes and all weapons in the world if you don't even know what the threat is?

Without knowledge, power is useless. Without power, knowledge is helpless.

You need both.

Western Roman Empire had quite enough force even in its last days. Roman Army literally survived the Empire it served. Yet the Empire fell anyway. Byzantine Empire lost Anatolia not because of the military defeat at Manzikert, but because of political instability - 7th - 8th century Empire had in fact shrugged off far worse defeats than that.
All Bush did was expand the power of the Executive branch, which means he expanded the power for whichever party happens to hold the white house.
OK, thanks. So Bush was a de-facto leftist.
The deep state hated the communists so kuch that it led to the teachings to enter into the schools.

The deep state still isn't communist.
They are just anti conservative
I said that deep state is leftist, which is literally anti-Conservative.

But make no mistake. Even if the deep state hates the Communists (a supposition that I am not certain is true, if it ever was - remember, we are talking about people who are literally responsible for Communist takeover of China) that doesn't make it not leftist.

After all, people who killed the most leftists were leftists themselves. Between the Fascists, Nazis and Communists themselves, leftists had managed to kill order of magnitude more leftists than all right-wing regimes ever.
 

Morphic Tide

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the Fascists, Nazis
They went out of their way to be their own weird "pointedly not either side" things, unless you insist on ridiculous anachronism where the "wings" have been mostly static since the original French context. Still holds true given the solely-Communist purges and the two starting with Leftists before developing into heterodox ideologies making a significant part of their startup Leftists savaging other Leftists, but you really can't call the Nazis' theosophical neopagan insanities "left-wing".
 

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