Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[strunkenwhite]

Because, again, this wasn't what we were discussing. I made a point about how it's possible to make it slightly harder to exercise a right without it being infringement, and the rather than answer that point you suddenly changed the topic to preclearance which hadn't been mentioned until then. I don't mind taking a whack at preclearance but I think you need to answer the previous statements rather than change the subject entirely first.

All right.

With freedom of the press or freedom of speech, there are difficulties inherent to expressing those rights, naturally. Buying a press, getting on a soapbox. The government is not obligated to buy you a gun. But with casting a vote, the government is inherently involved in the expression of that right, since it is the receptacle of that vote. It must set up the system that verifies the citizen's eligibility to vote, collect that ballot, and ensure that it is faithfully counted. With freedom of the press, the government can leave things up to the people that want to publish stuff, within certain guard rails; with voting, the government has to do the publishing. And the way it goes about its publishing [is] at issue here. And that is why "getting someone to print my book is hard" is not as much the government's problem as "casting my vote is hard".

 

[strunkenwhite]

"Sunday voting is not available everywhere, only in select areas. These areas happen to favor one race over another, and one party over another. Therefore removing it things reduces racism and unfairness in politics."

It's really not hard, unless you're prejudiced in your opinion and automatically attributing wrong motives to people who disagree with you.

My understanding is that the 17 days of early voting were optional on a county by county basis, and not all counties took advantage of the opportunity. If the reduction to 10 days did not also make it mandatory to offer those 10 days of early voting, then reducing inequity in early voting availability is an absolutely bullshit justification IMO. I looked for and did not immediately find anything about the 10 days, unlike the 17 days, being mandatory but please do let me know if that was the case, or if my understanding of the prior status quo is wrong.

In fact, from the text of the decision ("In response, SL 2013-381 did away with one of the two days of Sunday voting."), contrary to your argument, they didn't even remove Sunday voting completely, only one of the two days.

On the other hand, I believe that the 2013 law provided for all sites within each county to operate for the same days and hours, and that does strike me as moving in the direction of more equal access.

 

[Typhonis]

I wonder how badly Dominon is going to react if several states refuse to use their voting machines?

 

[Cherico]

I wonder how badly Dominon is going to react if several states refuse to use their voting machines?

badly but if more and more states say no then their business collapses which is a good thing.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

The only good method of voting is paper and with ID.

 

[Cherico]

The only good method of voting is paper and with ID.

Agreed

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

The only good method of voting is paper and with ID.

It is literally how we do it up here, and it works well enough. Should work well enough for the USA, all they need to do is scale up.

 

[Bacle]

Yeah, I would not mind moving back to all paper and in-person voting, even if some places like CO have had mail-in ballots for years now.

I'm willing to trade the convience of mail-in ballots for the security of paper ballots and in-person voting, after 2020.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Yeah, I would not mind moving back to all paper and in-person voting, even if some places like CO have had mail-in ballots for years now.

I'm willing to trade the convience of mail-in ballots for the security of paper ballots and in-person voting, after 2020.

It's crazy to me that any place doesn't have paper ballots and same day registration. The very idea of no paper trail is horrifying. Where I am, you sign an oath, get a receipt enabling you to obtain a ballot, turn it in and get your ballot, then fill out and turn in your ballot. Paper everywhere. Electronic counting but that can be done by hand at need.

edit: also, every ballot has been initialed by two poll workers on site that day.

 

[Bigking321]

Well a certain political party has been fighting tooth and nail for decades to try and eliminate any voter verification and claiming that there is no way this could cause any issues whatsoever and hey stop that audit right now you anti American!!!

 

[Duke Nukem]

Can't believe it's already been a year since this whole shitshow started.

 

[Typhonis]

Can't believe it's already been a year since this whole shitshow started.

I give it two or more years before it really blows up. You can't hide something that big for long. Sure the media may Gaslight it but...the mainstream news is dying.

 

[Sobek]

Speaking of the media being unable to hide and gaslight it away...

At Least 7 Republicans Who Were At The Jan. 6 Rally Just Got Elected To Office

They throw every single buzzword and repeat every propaganda talking point multiple times, but cannot deny the fact these people have the support of the GOP base and are winning elections. And it terrifies them.

 

[Terthna]

Speaking of the media being unable to hide and gaslight it away...

At Least 7 Republicans Who Were At The Jan. 6 Rally Just Got Elected To Office

They throw every single buzzword and repeat every propaganda talking point multiple times, but cannot deny the fact these people have the support of the GOP base and are winning elections. And it terrifies them.

It shows that cheating is the only way they're going to win any election where they don't already control a majority of the population going forward; because besides their brainwashed puppets, nobody else beleives a word they say anymore.

 

[Rocinante]

It shows that cheating is the only way they're going to win any election where they don't already control a majority of the population going forward; because besides their brainwashed puppets, nobody else beleives a word they say anymore.

The white supremacist misogynistic republicans elected a Hispanic person and a black woman last night.

This just can't be ignored any longer.

 

[Yinko]

They made a Washington state republican the federal election integrity admin. Kim Wyman. Apparently she denies any election fraud ever happened, and her taking the federal position opens up the Washinton secretary of state position to the Democrats for the first time in half a century.

So I guess she's the Bercow of Washington?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Speaking of the media being unable to hide and gaslight it away...

At Least 7 Republicans Who Were At The Jan. 6 Rally Just Got Elected To Office

They throw every single buzzword and repeat every propaganda talking point multiple times, but cannot deny the fact these people have the support of the GOP base and are winning elections. And it terrifies them.

It's a staple for political activists to get elected into office. Why stop now with them?

 

[Terthna]

share said 'proof'.

The most obvious proof is the fact that the Democrats have opposed any effort to investigate the results of the election; to point of trying (and often succeding) to outright destroy physical evidence before it could be examined. As for something more direct, the Maricopa Country audit for example revealed tens of thousands of fradulent ballots of various types; from duplicate votes, to votes by people who registered after the election, to votes that were purged from the record, to mail-in votes that have no record of them having ever actually been sent.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

The most obvious proof is the fact that the Democrats have opposed any effort to investigate the results of the election; to point of trying (and often succeding) to outright destroy physical evidence before it could be examined. As for something more direct, the Maricopa Country audit for example revealed tens of thousands of fradulent ballots of various types; from duplicate votes, to votes by people who registered after the election, to votes that were purged from the record, to mail-in votes that have no record of them having ever actually been sent.

The Republicans fervently did the same 2016-2020. The Democrats claimed the same 'well this county had tens of thousands of extra vote ballots...'. Honestly, the fact we reacted the same exact way they did afterwards confuses me, as us republicans claim to be the free speech party, yet complain like children after we lose. Now we didn't riot like the Democrats did after Trump was elected, but we came fervently close to.

I don't like the situation we're in, but I'm tired of it being overblown. Trump's not getting back into office until the 2024 election. Even if the Biden adm. was found guilty, they would likely still continue ruling, if only with Kamala Harris (god does that scare me) as the president. Biden's the ass end we don't want, but if he's that, then Harris is the shit coming out it. I've seen what she does to people, such as the time she fucked a dude for a political office, or the time she extended prison sentences on weed possession as far as twenty years simply to abuse prison labor.

I don't care that there is the possibility of voter fraud. As seen by my User name, I'm not someone who believes in whole heartedly trusting Democracy. All I care about it having a leader that rules justly and with grace. Whether it was genuine accidental miscounts or not, all we can do is wait until 2024.

 

[Terthna]

The Republicans fervently did the same 2016-2020. The Democrats claimed the same 'well this county had tens of thousands of extra vote ballots...'. Honestly, the fact we reacted the same exact way they did afterwards confuses me, as us republicans claim to be the free speech party, yet complain like children after we lose. Now we didn't riot like the Democrats did after Trump was elected, but we came fervently close to.

I don't like the situation we're in, but I'm tired of it being overblown. Trump's not getting back into office until the 2024 election. Even if the Biden adm. was found guilty, they would likely still continue ruling, if only with Kamala Harris (god does that scare me) as the president. Biden's the ass end we don't want, but if he's that, then Harris is the shit coming out it. I've seen what she does to people, such as the time she fucked a dude for a political office, or the time she extended prison sentences on weed possession as far as twenty years simply to abuse prison labor.

I don't care that there is the possibility of voter fraud. As seen by my User name, I'm not someone who believes in whole heartedly trusting Democracy. All I care about it having a leader that rules justly and with grace. Whether it was genuine accidental miscounts or not, all we can do is wait until 2024.

Trying to compare what happened in the aftermath of the 2020 election to what happened after the 2016 election reaks of willful ignorance at best, and intellectual dishonestly at worst; as does downplaying the evidence as merly suggesting the possibility of fraud having occurred. It is a fact that several times the number of votes Trump needed to win Arizona were fradulently counted in Biden's favor, in just one county; this is not something that is up for debate. At no point have the Democrats presented anything even approaching evidence like this, to prove that the 2016 election was fradulent.

If all you're doing is waiting for 2024, instead of pushing to fix our election system now, you will lose; and all the excuses in the world won't save you.