StormEagle
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Stop thinking for yourself, and let the mainstream media tell you the Truth like all sane peoplx! You cishet ableist racist!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!/s
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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Stop thinking for yourself, and let the mainstream media tell you the Truth like all sane peoplx! You cishet ableist racist!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!/s
You are not individuals, you mustn't think for yourself!
Reap the Whirlwind
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You are down five with two strikes and no one on base. The Fat lady is waltzing toward center stage. The stage hands are loosening the ropes. The film is wrapping up its epilogue. The flutist has their lips pressed to their instrument.
it is all but over.
Because in those other countries, the military literally is owned by one party, and the military enforces the fraud and shoots anyone who questions it. Everyone knows it doesn’t matter, and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and focuses on other questions like, “how will I feed my family?”or “why do I hear strange howls from outside my walls?”
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Yes, and one it comes it will be "TRUMP!". Because all the signs are for a last minute upset. You need to gird yourself for that, for it all sting all the much more.
No, voter fraud and electoral fraud happens in all countries. And honestly those both sound like very American concerns.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I'm gonna give you the same answer i gave to the last person that said this.
"Nice try, but it's not going to work on me" .
No. You didn't get me. How could that certain other country perpetrate election fraud in the United States?
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Xilizhra
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I haven't posted on SB in ages and I don't post on SV at all, so...
I don't, provided there's reason to believe that any of it happened.
They didn't, not directly. Russian interference was about propaganda campaigns, not vote hacking proper.
Reap the Whirlwind
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Oh, they didn’t. That was pathetic whining by a bunch of self important neoliberals who could not accept their own problems.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Despite all his outlandish behaviour, and no small amount of sleaziness as a Manhattan businessman, I get the feeling Trump is actually an old softy at heart.
He has shown heavy compassion for others. Like when he named a Task force after the girl killed by ISIS and they killed their leadser.
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And other pollsters found differently.
"How much voter fraud do you think occurred in this election?"
Enough to influence the outcome of the election: 40% of all voters, 80% of Trump voters.
73% of Trump voters think it is definitely or probably true that we will never know the actual outcome of this election.
90% of Trump voters think that mail ballots are being manipulated to favor Biden.
There is also a Pew poll that shows the incredibly disparate positions between Republicans and Democrats that I will try and find again later.
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No, we didn't have six years of full on resist. We had several years of relatively polite, within the rules, resistance.
I really don't think you get how utterly, completely, fundamentally, enraged the Trump base is at what they see as Biden stealing the election. Regardless of the why or the evidence (or lack thereof) to support that position, it is how they feel. And that rage won't be dissipated naturally.
So yes, give them their full, transparent, audits. If the elections were free and fair then Biden still wins and the vast majority of that opposition melts away. Refusing to have those audits, especially how the media is behaving, does nothing but make the Trump supporters all the more sure that the election was stolen and that the Democrats and their allies know it and refuse to have transparency because it will show that they are all corrupt.
There is no trust in anything that the mainstream media says on the right any longer. Even Fox is considered a fraud. So them declaring Biden the winner and that no fraud occurred? The mere fact that the media claims it is considered sufficient cause to doubt the claim. That is where we are today.
And this is not sustainable.
I mean you want to humiliate Trump? You give him full results audits of the states in question with complete transparency and Republican (and Democrat) observers standing over every table to watch the process. And you prove that the system worked.
Otherwise? If Trump loses then he is going to start Trump TV, pretty much instantly take Fox's place, and spend the next four years stoking the flames of his base. He will keep the Republicans in lock step behind him because all it would take to primary any of them is one word from Trump. And any investigation into Trump? He will claim that it is politically motivated and turn out seventy million American voters who agree with him.
The only way to defang Trump is to prove his claims false to the satisfaction of Trump's supporters. Instead Biden and his allies are doing literally everything they can to "prove" Trump right to his supporters.
And other pollsters found differently.
"How much voter fraud do you think occurred in this election?"
Enough to influence the outcome of the election: 40% of all voters, 80% of Trump voters.
73% of Trump voters think it is definitely or probably true that we will never know the actual outcome of this election.
90% of Trump voters think that mail ballots are being manipulated to favor Biden.
There is also a Pew poll that shows the incredibly disparate positions between Republicans and Democrats that I will try and find again later.
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No, we didn't have six years of full on resist. We had several years of relatively polite, within the rules, resistance.
I really don't think you get how utterly, completely, fundamentally, enraged the Trump base is at what they see as Biden stealing the election. Regardless of the why or the evidence (or lack thereof) to support that position, it is how they feel. And that rage won't be dissipated naturally.
So yes, give them their full, transparent, audits. If the elections were free and fair then Biden still wins and the vast majority of that opposition melts away. Refusing to have those audits, especially how the media is behaving, does nothing but make the Trump supporters all the more sure that the election was stolen and that the Democrats and their allies know it and refuse to have transparency because it will show that they are all corrupt.
There is no trust in anything that the mainstream media says on the right any longer. Even Fox is considered a fraud. So them declaring Biden the winner and that no fraud occurred? The mere fact that the media claims it is considered sufficient cause to doubt the claim. That is where we are today.
And this is not sustainable.
I mean you want to humiliate Trump? You give him full results audits of the states in question with complete transparency and Republican (and Democrat) observers standing over every table to watch the process. And you prove that the system worked.
Otherwise? If Trump loses then he is going to start Trump TV, pretty much instantly take Fox's place, and spend the next four years stoking the flames of his base. He will keep the Republicans in lock step behind him because all it would take to primary any of them is one word from Trump. And any investigation into Trump? He will claim that it is politically motivated and turn out seventy million American voters who agree with him.
The only way to defang Trump is to prove his claims false to the satisfaction of Trump's supporters. Instead Biden and his allies are doing literally everything they can to "prove" Trump right to his supporters.
This conversation with Dan Bongino is very enlightening...
Archmagnus
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The swamp creatures will just print or swap more votes for whatever candidate they want to win. If even half of the fraud Trump is accusing the dems of is true, then he either wins and fixes the election system, or democracy is truly dead as people voting will no longer matter.
At least we can agree on something then, I am happy we at least have some common ground. Would you extend this common ground to "fuck, neoliberals."
So much this.
If the Dems and Biden get away with stealing this election, they will do it again and again, starting with the GA run-off race.
That is where a lot of Trump supporters are at; we know that if this election is stolen, then the ballot box becomes worthless in future elections, and we have very little recourse left at that point.
StormEagle
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When the ballot box becomes irrelevant, a mans only recourse is the ammo box.
If the vote becomes worthless, many conservatives might start looking warily towards their guns as they start considering ideas they otherwise wouldn’t have if the election was proven to have been fair.
Not advocating anything here, but I feel like we are getting very, uncomfortably close to that Rubicon moment everyone’s been looking for.
Okay, for the question of "did voter fraud occur", lets ask a couple of simple questions.
1) It is commonly known that JFK stole the 1960 election generating at least 120,000 provably false votes in Chicago using a vast, well established election fixing machine in Chicago. Does it seem plausible that this voter fraud organization was created in 1960, used for that election only? Or is is more plausible that the election fixing machine was well established already in 1960, and that Chicago continued on fixing elections for years to come.
2) Its commonly known that the Mob controlled much of the operations in New York city in the 1970s. Does it seem particularly crazy that the mob would also control, or at least be able to apply a strong thumb to New York Elections? Does it seem reasonable or unreasonable that Vote Fixing occured in New York in the 70s when the mob controlled everything? Tammany Hall was known to perform election interference in the 1870s. Is it more plausible that there was large scale voter fraud in the 1870s and 1970s, but none before or after those two dates? Or that there was regular election fraud performed by large scale organized organizations at least between 1870 and 1970 in New York. And is it more likely the election fraud machines simply disappeared post 1970, or that such work continued after 1970?
3) Given a basic knowledge of Detroit, does one need more proof that there wasn't a large amount of fraud in any random Detroit election, or that anything done in Detroit was done in a totally legal, above board manner? Which claim requires more proof.
If one thinks fraud is rare, then extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. However, given the above examples of basic, commonly known facts of America, corrupt political machines committing election fraud seems to be something that happens basically every single election. Thus, Fraud organizations committing more fraud than unusual when their fraud could change the outcome doesn't seem particularly unlikely, and nearly expected.
1) It is commonly known that JFK stole the 1960 election generating at least 120,000 provably false votes in Chicago using a vast, well established election fixing machine in Chicago. Does it seem plausible that this voter fraud organization was created in 1960, used for that election only? Or is is more plausible that the election fixing machine was well established already in 1960, and that Chicago continued on fixing elections for years to come.
2) Its commonly known that the Mob controlled much of the operations in New York city in the 1970s. Does it seem particularly crazy that the mob would also control, or at least be able to apply a strong thumb to New York Elections? Does it seem reasonable or unreasonable that Vote Fixing occured in New York in the 70s when the mob controlled everything? Tammany Hall was known to perform election interference in the 1870s. Is it more plausible that there was large scale voter fraud in the 1870s and 1970s, but none before or after those two dates? Or that there was regular election fraud performed by large scale organized organizations at least between 1870 and 1970 in New York. And is it more likely the election fraud machines simply disappeared post 1970, or that such work continued after 1970?
3) Given a basic knowledge of Detroit, does one need more proof that there wasn't a large amount of fraud in any random Detroit election, or that anything done in Detroit was done in a totally legal, above board manner? Which claim requires more proof.
If one thinks fraud is rare, then extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. However, given the above examples of basic, commonly known facts of America, corrupt political machines committing election fraud seems to be something that happens basically every single election. Thus, Fraud organizations committing more fraud than unusual when their fraud could change the outcome doesn't seem particularly unlikely, and nearly expected.
Random Boy? Might I ask? Why the concern? And may I suggest you keep it?
1. I never cared for the concern of those who obviously never cared what the hell I thought, or did. You sir, are simply here to profit off of our discomfort, so do me a favor, drop the pretense. It's dishonest and frankly, asenine.
2. You have engaged in ad-hominem attacks, concern trolling and a host of odious behavior. Stop it. Seriously. You are getting on a lot of people's nerves.
3. Try picking a postion and sticking to it. We'd appreciate it.
1. I never cared for the concern of those who obviously never cared what the hell I thought, or did. You sir, are simply here to profit off of our discomfort, so do me a favor, drop the pretense. It's dishonest and frankly, asenine.
2. You have engaged in ad-hominem attacks, concern trolling and a host of odious behavior. Stop it. Seriously. You are getting on a lot of people's nerves.
3. Try picking a postion and sticking to it. We'd appreciate it.