Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

To be honest that is the good news, I didn’t like bush or Obama but I could live with it, it sure as hell beats whatever fresh hell The progs would dump on the world.
The uniparty will be controlled by the progs, if Biden wins, and most of tech/media already is controlled by the progs. The 1st and 2nd Amendment as effectively dead if Biden wins, based on what their campaign has said they will try to do.
Trust me, it isn't. The past four years have radicalized the uniparty. Bush and Obama was them being fat and lazy; Biden will be them lean and ready to crack down on any sign of resistance.
Yeah, this is the thing people don't get.

If Trump loses, the uniparty will be under control of the progs, and will do everything in it's power to make sure an outsider like Trump can never gain power again.
 
Speak for yourself. Trump has good ideas but his administration has zero administrative talent or capability. We would have much firmer checks on illegal immigration for example if they actually knew how to write an executive order. A Trump led third party would just devolve into another Reform Party debacle.

And my parents were Reform Party organisers and supporters, and I was raised campaigning on the streets for Ross Perot as a little kid. It was still admittedly a debacle because it helped Clinton win, even if I still believe in a lot of the principles. The Reform Party had a real attempt at organisation from a real organiser and leader, and it still failed.

So. Trump’s chosen candidate would get elected Governor of Florida a couple of times and maybe a few rural Congressional districts in deep red areas would flip for a few sessions of congress, and then the whole thing would collapse. And in the meantime the dems would run up huge majorities and do whatever they wanted.

Trump is a much less capable leader and man than Ross Perot was. I wish I could merge his talent for crowds and marketing with Perot’s talent for leadership, intelligence, policy and organisation, though. Then you’d have me on a third party.
The bulk of Trump's base are not even Republicans. They are people who only voted Republican because Trump ran as one; me included. If the Republican Party thinks they can throw Trump under the bus and win in 2022 they will get the shock of their lives. And the Democrats will not get those votes either.
 
It feels like large parts of the American country and the political apparatus are simply rebelling with "Orange Man Bad" as an excuse. Ignoring presidential executive orders, ignoring court orders...
No doubt, but that doesn't explain why the Republicians/Trump/ Federal Government hasn't taken more action against them over this. And while I realize going full force probably isn't an option, as the MSM would take it as 'proof' of how 'desperate and unhinged' Trump is, doing the bare minimum isn't going to help either. It'll only encourage them to act out further.

Or maybe I'm just overestimating how much should have been done by this point and how quickly the wheels of government can spin.
 
The bulk of Trump's base are not even Republicans. They are people who only voted Republican because Trump ran as one; me included. If the Republican Party thinks they can throw Trump under the bus and win in 2022 they will get the shock of their lives. And the Democrats will not get those votes either.

Why not get involved at the base of the Republican Party, the County level organisations, and start pushing your state in the right direction by influencing the State party? Do you really want Democrats and the Establishment to have a free run of, for example, setting policy on educational content in the schools? This attitude is exactly what got us to where we are today. If you want to change things, you need to organise at the local level. Every school district with a ban on critical race theory is an enduring win for the future. I am heavily involved in volunteering for local politics and if only ten million die-hard Trump supporters would join in that process, then in 20 years the country would be radically different. Turtling up and complaining because the main man isn't at the top anymore is precisely the kind of defeatism the left WANTS you to feel, and it's exactly the wrong approach to politics. The politics of a nation are bigger than any single man.
 
Why not get involved at the base of the Republican Party, the County level organisations, and start pushing your state in the right direction by influencing the State party? Do you really want Democrats and the Establishment to have a free run of, for example, setting policy on educational content in the schools? This attitude is exactly what got us to where we are today. If you want to change things, you need to organise at the local level. Every school district with a ban on critical race theory is an enduring win for the future. I am heavily involved in volunteering for local politics and if only ten million die-hard Trump supporters would join in that process, then in 20 years the country would be radically different. Turtling up and complaining because the main man isn't at the top anymore is precisely the kind of defeatism the left WANTS you to feel, and it's exactly the wrong approach to politics. The politics of a nation are bigger than any single man.
Judging by what we are seeing from the repeated “glitches” it seems they will have a run of things regardless.
 
Why not get involved at the base of the Republican Party, the County level organisations, and start pushing your state in the right direction by influencing the State party? Do you really want Democrats and the Establishment to have a free run of, for example, setting policy on educational content in the schools? This attitude is exactly what got us to where we are today. If you want to change things, you need to organise at the local level. Every school district with a ban on critical race theory is an enduring win for the future. I am heavily involved in volunteering for local politics and if only ten million die-hard Trump supporters would join in that process, then in 20 years the country would be radically different. Turtling up and complaining because the main man isn't at the top anymore is precisely the kind of defeatism the left WANTS you to feel, and it's exactly the wrong approach to politics. The politics of a nation are bigger than any single man.
If Trump loses, the neo-cons are likely to retake control of the party, and they may as well be Dems on everything but abortion and guns.

You really do not get that people are sick and fucking tired of the sort of mindset you are pushing and that the main reason Trump won in 2016 was because he was not part of the GOP insiders or establishment. A GOP establishment that has done a lot to protect itself at the expense of Trump and the base he formed.

We won't turtle up, we simply will look elsewhere for representation. We are not willing to play inter-party politics, and play nice with the people who are ready to leave Trump out to hang, for 20 years on the hope that it will get us back to where we are now.

We do not owe the GOP loyalty, we were here for Trump, and we have no reason to support a GOP establishment that doesn't represent us and is only out to protect themselves.
 
Why not get involved at the base of the Republican Party, the County level organisations, and start pushing your state in the right direction by influencing the State party? Do you really want Democrats and the Establishment to have a free run of, for example, setting policy on educational content in the schools? This attitude is exactly what got us to where we are today. If you want to change things, you need to organise at the local level. Every school district with a ban on critical race theory is an enduring win for the future. I am heavily involved in volunteering for local politics and if only ten million die-hard Trump supporters would join in that process, then in 20 years the country would be radically different. Turtling up and complaining because the main man isn't at the top anymore is precisely the kind of defeatism the left WANTS you to feel, and it's exactly the wrong approach to politics. The politics of a nation are bigger than any single man.
Because and let me make this clear. I am not and have never been a Republican and don't intend on becoming one. Before Trump came on the seen I usually voted 3rd Party. If the Party does not stand up and grow a pair and point out the blatant voter fraud. Then they will lose all of my support. And you can quote me on that.
 
What I want to know is, why haven't we seen more action taken over this?
It feels like large parts of the American country and the political apparatus are simply rebelling with "Orange Man Bad" as an excuse. Ignoring presidential executive orders, ignoring court orders...

It's just corruption, pure and simple.

There are supposed to be safety nets at pretty much every level. Multiple in fact.

But if bad people get control or influence over the safety nets and supposedly neutral outside safety nets like the media are taken over too then you get what we have now.

Flagrant law breaking and ethical violations but telling everyone it's perfectly fine and the other people complaining about it are bad.

And the reason Trump can't do more about it is separation of powers. The states have great latitude to run themselves as they see fit so it's much harder for a federal authority to come and get them.

It's a feature of the American system but it only works if it's staffed with people that have integrity.

We've made it this long with the safeties holding but it's looking like it might be the end. If people can just cheat this much and act like it's fine...
 
Why not get involved at the base of the Republican Party, the County level organisations, and start pushing your state in the right direction by influencing the State party? Do you really want Democrats and the Establishment to have a free run of, for example, setting policy on educational content in the schools? This attitude is exactly what got us to where we are today. If you want to change things, you need to organise at the local level. Every school district with a ban on critical race theory is an enduring win for the future. I am heavily involved in volunteering for local politics and if only ten million die-hard Trump supporters would join in that process, then in 20 years the country would be radically different. Turtling up and complaining because the main man isn't at the top anymore is precisely the kind of defeatism the left WANTS you to feel, and it's exactly the wrong approach to politics. The politics of a nation are bigger than any single man.
I can agree with you that things should be bigger then a single man. I have no particular love or hate for Trump.

But frankly the Republican party doesn't inspire confidence in people that oppose the left for many reasons.

My reasoning is that the Republican party exist to be controlled opposition and that is not when they are serving the corporations who work with the Left.
 
I'm Republican due to the democrats being utterly hostile to pretty much everything I consider important. It be nice if there were other options but it seems like it's one or the other and Republicans at least don't want people like me erased.
They may not want you erased, but they also have no intentions of standing in the way of the Democrats when they attempt to do so. So better; but not by much.
 

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