Election disputes are to be settled by December 8th. The election is the largest step, but it is step 2 of like, 7. So Trump has about 30 days to address this and it will probably be fast-tracked to SCOTUS well before then.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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Election disputes are to be settled by December 8th. The election is the largest step, but it is step 2 of like, 7. So Trump has about 30 days to address this and it will probably be fast-tracked to SCOTUS well before then.
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The same useless grifter who couldn't even reserve a conference room at the Four Seasons Hotel? Giuliani has been a total disaster since day one for the Trump campaign and is just out to make a buck and keep himself out of prison. Trump is committing a major mistake by letting that clown lead his legal efforts, just like his mistake of not purging the FBI early on. The PA legal efforts will fail.
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The term “useless grifter” could be used to describe just about every Republican and “conservative leader” today.
We need real leadership. A real organization that isn’t set on losing.
We need real leadership. A real organization that isn’t set on losing.
How about we see what actually happens, and see where things go.
This is the same man who took on th NYC mob and the FARC. He survived both of those, and won against them.
He is not scared of the Dems, and he is but the face of the legal team, with many more behind him.
You realize the neo-cons were wholesale kicked from the Republican party, right? Why do you think they all made a surprise appearance at the DNC's primary election of Biden? Why do you think AOC was so fucking pissed? Why do you think she's demanding high level progressive officials in the possible Biden Administration?
That's politics. Like it or not, Trump's style does not translate well to every politician in every county of every state. There is actual dislike for the way Trump does thing even among Republicans. They forgive him for this failure because of his effectiveness and natural in-person charm. That does not mean that they want everyone in the party to act like him.
You might think that seals it, but you would be misreading the political landscape. The Neo-Cons were more or less kicked out of the GOP by an orange wave. Economic Moderate-Liberals who want protectionism took over. The Neo-Cons who remain have either chosen to hitch themselves to Trump or the Party for one reason or another. And while that means they are more inclined to VOTE with moderate Democrats, it doesn't mean they're going to vote for everything, especially if it's something that upends the political system.
The Republican party as of late 2018, although reluctant to follow Trump, has actually given him pretty solid backing all things considered. I encourage you to reappraise the situation. Even if Trump leaves office, he leaves behind a GOP with a rough idea of what to do. Because they see it works. Look at the House and Senate. Even after the Wuhan, economic downturn, unprecedented levels of MSM smear jobs, and what looks to be mass voter fraud...they are still in a strong position.
What's more is that the tells for the Democrats are already there. AOC demanding a Progressive administration. Moderate Democrats screaming at Pelosi. BLM picking fights with Biden supporters. Antifa protesting Biden. If the Democrats carry the day either by fraud or legitimate means, the days of "the Rebellion" is over. The Democrats were ONLY able to paper over their wide divisions by a central hate around Trump. Now they have to govern.
That "we can now return to polite society" bullshit is going to blow up in their faces when the factions that they riled up with promises are silenced and discarded like yesterday's trash. Be ready for some milktoast governing with the occasional spikes in fascist executive orders from Biden in order to try and strong-arm everyone into voting their way.
If you fall into the cult of personality around Trump, you will not be able to survive any possible loss he suffers with any amount of sanity. Trump at best, gets 8 years. Stop trying to demand godhood from him and accept he has limitations. That isn't doomer talk; it's about something higher than Trump. This is why Idolatry is bad.
The Democrats haven't won anything but a civil war that they've managed to stave off for 4 years. And that's IF they win. Right now the legislators in PA are refusing to ratify any electors without stringent recounts. And if they aren't satisfied and they stick to their guns, no electors for PA. Georgia is going to automatic recount. If there was any fraud there, expect it to be found quick. Michigan has already had 6,000 votes switched back from Biden to Trump, resulting in a net 12,000 vote difference closed between them (as the lost Biden votes go to Trump). Wisconsin may also be forced by SCOTUS into a recount. Nevada is looking for a recount and Arizona still isn't in yet.
I am aware of all of this, or at least the narratives related to it.
It isn't Idolatry that is the reason I came to the GOP because of Trump, it is not having faith in the GOP elite/establishment to actually represent me without him or another outsider like him in the Oval Office.
Sure, some of the new blood in the GOP is more in line with Trump, and I am very thankful for that. But McConnell, Graham, and their ilk still control most of the reigns of power in the party. They dragged their feet on a lot of things that could have helped Trump and his base, while the House GOP wasted their majority they had for the first 2 years under Trump doing nothing of note.
And I am not so sanguine about what Biden can do to fuck over and destroy the lives of Trump supporters. The Dems plans for the 1st and 2nd Amendments should scare the crap out of anyone who values those Amendments.
Our only hope is that Trump wins in recounts and the courts.
Doesn't have to
In Wisconsin anything below 1% in a 4000 or more ballot election is subject to recount requests that have to be fullfilled.
Terthna
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Perhaps you're right; we'll just have to wait and see.
f1onagher
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Guys, the neocons aren't coming back. Well, the Cheney flavored ones aren't. The base has signaled its hatred of them multiple times over the past twelve years and the GOP, political creatures that they are, have cottoned on. Cruz, De Santis, Crenshaw, McConnel, Cotton, and others may come with their own bevy of shortcomings and shit features, but they've all learned the lesson that Trump brought with him: when the other side cheats you're no longer obligated to be nice. Let the Lincoln quislings crawl back and demand a reward, the conservative coalition kicked them out and they showed their true colors posthaste.
Trump was never going to be the wise leader to guide the Republican party into a new age. He was the asshole that pointed out that the emperor had no clothes and that maybe the Republicans should put something on. Lord willing the American Right will take the good lessons to heart and start the legitimately difficult work of assembling a long term party to fend off the communist thralls in the American Left. It was going to have to happen sooner or later, we all just hoped we'd get four more years of orange-flavored top cover to work on it.
And who knows, the fat ladies may be singing, but now the horse is warming up for his own solo.
Also, there are a lot of legitimately reliable and loyal Republicans that just really do not want to deal with Trump anymore. Ben Shapiro has made no bones about his fundamental opinion of Trump and Repubs like him really want the Trump coalition without all the icky Trump. I don't tend to hold it against them since they've weathered the storm with the rest of us and haven't sold out like the RINOs, but they won't miss Trump when he's gone.
Trump was never going to be the wise leader to guide the Republican party into a new age. He was the asshole that pointed out that the emperor had no clothes and that maybe the Republicans should put something on. Lord willing the American Right will take the good lessons to heart and start the legitimately difficult work of assembling a long term party to fend off the communist thralls in the American Left. It was going to have to happen sooner or later, we all just hoped we'd get four more years of orange-flavored top cover to work on it.
And who knows, the fat ladies may be singing, but now the horse is warming up for his own solo.
Do you mean AOC is mad at Kasich because he didn't cheat? Maybe, I dunno. He did fail to deliver Ohio to his new masters so his utility is at an end.
There is a strong desire in political circles to not question the legitimacy of elections since doing so implicitly admits that the US has had a fraud problem for over a century and we're too good to have little third world problems like voter fraud.
Also, there are a lot of legitimately reliable and loyal Republicans that just really do not want to deal with Trump anymore. Ben Shapiro has made no bones about his fundamental opinion of Trump and Repubs like him really want the Trump coalition without all the icky Trump. I don't tend to hold it against them since they've weathered the storm with the rest of us and haven't sold out like the RINOs, but they won't miss Trump when he's gone.
It would also shatter the right-wing coalition and give the Dems unrivaled access to power for eight years at a minimum. There's a reason both coalitions tolerate the craven shitheads in the Dem and GOP leadership.
She's pulling a Beria about twenty years too early. It probably sounds like a good idea in her perma-blue district, but reality is very different even just a few miles away.
There's also a prayer that the lessons Trump brought with him will reverberate through the Republican coalition going forward. That was the main reason I wanted him for a second term. Two terms would force the Republican establishment to adopt Trumpian tactics. With just one, well, the deplorables are still out there and still a reliable voting block. Hopefully, a few lessons will stick.
This is all entirely and completely wrong.
1) State legislatures select electors. In most states they currently do so more by passive consent than anything else, but all it takes is for a state legislature to pass a joint declaration declaring that X is the states elector(s). This is explicitly constitutional.
2) The Electoral College meets and votes, if no one gets 270 electoral votes then it goes to the House to decide.
3) The 2022 House & Senate are sworn in, their first act is to certify (or not) the results of the Electoral College.
4) If no one has 270 Electoral votes, the House votes by state delegation (the Republicans have the advantage in this) to select the President while the Senate votes by state delegation to select the Vice President (and Pence could break a tie).
5) Come January 20th, whomever the House has selected is sworn in as President and will serve until they die, resign, are impeached, or their term of office ends.
Legally in the US, elections don't determine the President. The state legislatures determine the states Electoral College Electors and the House (by State Delegation) determines the President in the event of an issue with the EC.
I should point out that people are wondering what will happen if the Democrats start burning or disposing of the Trump ballots or they start just shredding.
Possible, but very obvious. Legislators may refuse to approve electors in that case. Which means it goes to the House for a Delegate Vote.
Possible, but very obvious. Legislators may refuse to approve electors in that case. Which means it goes to the House for a Delegate Vote.
LifeisTiresome
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Agreed. Trump didn't even do much about the big tech companies. He is not some great man to lead us to greatness.
Though, the GOP also didn't do much about the Big Tech corporations either.
Frankly, I don't trust the GOP. I suspect that we will not get much from them. They will continue as they always have.
Again though, this is not me shilling for Trump as I already mentioned, he did nothing about big tech.
ShieldWife
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Neo-cons still mostly run the GOP, only a few of the most vociferous ones left as Never Trumpers, but many more stayed and either jumped on the Trump train or just kept quiet. Even with Trump in office, they infiltrated his administration worked either to influence or subvert Trump. Look at what John Bolton did, Trump was on the cusp of a Nobel Prize worthy peace deal with North Korea and then John Bolton goes around saying that we’re going to give Kim Jin Un the Gaddafi treatment.
If Trump can’t pull out this win, the Neo-cons are going to re-exert their influence on the party, some by overtly saying that Trump was terrible and that he caused the GOP to lose, others by subtly working to make it seem like they still support Trump’s agenda when they just want to go back to the same old thing.
If the GOP is going to stand for anything, we have to be ever vigilant and remember, we didn’t vote for Trump because we like the letter R more than the letter D. The fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party didn’t end with Trump, it only just started.
If Trump can’t pull out this win, the Neo-cons are going to re-exert their influence on the party, some by overtly saying that Trump was terrible and that he caused the GOP to lose, others by subtly working to make it seem like they still support Trump’s agenda when they just want to go back to the same old thing.
If the GOP is going to stand for anything, we have to be ever vigilant and remember, we didn’t vote for Trump because we like the letter R more than the letter D. The fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party didn’t end with Trump, it only just started.
Lord Sovereign
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Nothing screams "guilty" more than trying to erase possible evidence. If the Democrats were actually confident, they'd fold their arms, laugh and say "if you want to embarrass yourselves in front of the entire nation, go ahead, investigate. We've nothing to hide, but you'll just look childish."
They aren't doing that. Red flags are already flying.
Trump was busting up Human trafficing rings operating all over the US. But if you don't check the various local news outlets across the country you would never know that. He is a great man of that alone.
That is what I was talking about with AOC
Actually, he did a fantastic job in calling them out and they did a fantastic job in proving him right. Trust in big tech is at an all time low. Both Democrats and Republicans are looking to punish them. Big tech censoring Trump was out of both desperation to appease the Democrats and because it was their only chance of retaining California's strong connections to globalism. If Biden takes over, expect those 4 years to be wasted with infighting.
It has all the potential of being the most glorious self-immolation in history. Because although Google is very socially left, they are attached to the tit of low-regulated capitalism and globalism. And the Neo-Liberals are probably going to lean on them to try and silence Progressives. Remember that smear job they did on AOC after Amazon left NYC in a huff?
That was a warning shot.
This is literally not the case. Trump changed the GOP on a fundamental level. People like Ben Shapiro are holdouts because they're hoping to have the grassroots support of Trump without having Trump there to bask the party in his golden glow. People like Cruz and Crenshaw are the rising stars within the party. They may not have the same commanding and troll-like personality of Trump, but they have many of the same ideals. And what the Republicans are really good at--have always been really good at, is sticking together.
Trump was actually a very good president. He broke the old decaying system and now it's flying apart at the seams while globalists desperately try to snatch at the missing pieces.
LifeisTiresome
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Fair enough point. I had forgotten about that.
Having low trust in the Big tech is good and all but they have not been destroyed or broken up. That is what needs to happen. That is what I'm talking about.
Why should we believe this at all? I'm not going to oppose the GOP. I simply don't have faith in them but I will not oppose them just to be clear.
I was talking in terms of greatman of such stature that a cult comes around him. I'm not saying he was a bad president at all. He hasn't started any new wars which makes him great in my book.
I'm agreeing on sixth on this issue with other things to add on.
in 2 years we run out of other peoples money, the boomers start retiring in mass, the age of cheap credit ends forever and it isn't coming back. Cali my state is already impossibly in the red, our economy was doing shit before corona and we basically just set it on fire. In two years Nancy has to go begging for a federal bailout. That is her one singular job the one reason we keep her around and she knows it. And when that day comes she will be forced to make what ever deal she can.
Because the alternative is total economic collapse.
in 2 years we run out of other peoples money, the boomers start retiring in mass, the age of cheap credit ends forever and it isn't coming back. Cali my state is already impossibly in the red, our economy was doing shit before corona and we basically just set it on fire. In two years Nancy has to go begging for a federal bailout. That is her one singular job the one reason we keep her around and she knows it. And when that day comes she will be forced to make what ever deal she can.
Because the alternative is total economic collapse.