Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

[Hlaalu Agent]

CNN doesn't know what fascism is.

CNN in a dark room with their hands around the throat of a figure: WHY WON'T YOU DIE ALREADY, IT WAS CLEARLY FORETOLD IN OUR TAGLINE.

(!) This claim about election fraud is disputed

Also Twitter when a person involved finally confesses out of feelings of guilt.

 

[Largo]

And that value of the secret ballot is behind the times, because mail-in voting and electronic voting necessitate being able to verify that a single individual is linked to a specific ballot/vote, to ensure there has been no voter/electoral fraud.

Our Republic, our democracy, and our electoral system need to adapt to the issues modern tech brings to the field of voting, and we are seeing how easy it is to defraud the electoral system when those adaptions have not taken place, or are not widespread in all areas.

"We need to get rid of the secret ballot to own the libs" is certainly a new argument I haven't seen before, I have to admit.

 

[Arlos]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

We would, but the powers that be have spoken to complacency and they are in agreement, it's too difficult.

 

[Deleted member 16]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

You'd still need absentee voting for essential workers, like fire/medical/law enforcement, but you could simplify a lot of the rest, agreed. The problem is that you have a perception that making it easier to vote benefits one party over another in the US, which makes any effort to change election rules immediately a partisan contest. There is also pushback from retail and small businesses over it, as a federal holiday normally does not normally apply to private industry.

 

[Arlos]

We would but the powers that be have spoken to complacency and they are in agreement, it's too difficult.

How is it difficult? Most countries in the world do it....*sigh*

 

[Navarro]

How is it difficult? Most countries in the world do it....*sigh*

One party continuously calls any effort at all to tighten voting regs racist.

 

[Isem]

How is it difficult? Most countries in the world do it....*sigh*

The problem isn't implementation, it's getting various states and politicians to agree to implement it. As is you can't even get basic voter id laws passed universally because people have been convinced it's racist.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

One party continuously calls any effort at all to tighten voting regs racist.

Because apparently minorities are too dumb to get a drivers license or valid ID, I am mean according to their logic minorities can't take the bus (or their car) and go to a government office to get ID, because that is far too complicated for their little minds.

So apparently the people who think minorities are not drooling morons and in fact are equal in every way to Whites, Asians or Jews are the racist ones. Curious that.

 

[Cherico]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

Simple solutions using time tested methods might be the best solution.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Simple solutions using time tested methods might be the best solution.

The opposition is going to screech regardless if it doesn't benefit them, though. Voter ID works up here, and somehow is not racist when we do it, but when you try and implement it down south of the border? It suddenly transmute into the most racist thing ever.

 

[Arlos]

Well, you guys should probably sort it out at some point.
I am gonna be honest here and say that from an outside perspective, when peered at closely, US election (at least on federal level, not sure if it’s the case on other levels) is looking incredibly messy and not very secure democratically speaking, and I can’t believe I of all people would say that.
The fact is, looking at it I can kind of understand why people can spend years saying a president was elected unlawfully from a purely operational viewpoint....too many failure point, so to speak.
Just my thoughts, I know nobody gave ma penny but eh.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The problem isn't implementation, it's getting various states and politicians to agree to implement it. As is you can't even get basic voter id laws passed universally because people have been convinced it's racist.

I must admit, this does seem to be an advantage the unitary state has over the federal one. For example, in Britain, you cannot get bullshit like this. The fact that you don't even have an electoral commission is just astonishing to me, and perhaps in that one regard the US Constitution is hilariously out of date.

 

[Tyzuris]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

Yeah. My country uses paper-only vote and also votes on Sundays. And also voter registration is done automatically by the government for us as they use our national population database to register eligible voters. Basically all I have to do is to drive to a voting location, show my ID and vote and be done with it.

And then go to sauna at 2000 and then come out of sauna at 2030, crack open a cold beer and watch as the results of the election are crystal clear in less than four hours and go to bed.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I must admit, this does seem to be an advantage the unitary state has over the federal one. For example, in Britain, you cannot get bullshit like this. The fact that you don't even have an electoral commission is just astonishing to me, and perhaps in that one regard the US Constitution is hilariously out of date.

I don't think you should be casting stones, with the way your country is going you are going to rapidly become airstrip one. Don't you already have the Ministry of Truth and the Thought Police?

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I don't think you should be casting stones, with the way your country is going you are going to rapidly become airstrip one. Don't you already have the Ministry of Truth and the Thought Police?

Indeed. There are trade offs to each and every system.

But when a reformist inevitably gets into power here, they will be able to affect far more change than they would in the American system. They are not hampered by a constitution that has failed to stop corruption and is now impeding attempts to fix that corruption. The worst we have in that regard is the House of Lords, and they can be surmounted.

If America had been Britain in the 1970s, Margaret Thatcher would not have been able to make those desperately needed reforms.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Indeed. There are trade offs to each and every system.

But when a reformist inevitably gets into power here, they will be able to affect far more change than they would in the American system. They are not hampered by a constitution that has failed to stop corruption and is now impeding attempts to fix that corruption. The worst we have in that regard is the House of Lords, and they can be surmounted.

If America had been Britain in the 1970s, Margaret Thatcher would not have been able to make those desperately needed reforms.

You have a point, but Federalism is always better in my view since it allows different regions to determine their own affairs as they wish without interfering in the affairs of other regions.

If you wish, we can make a federalism vs unitary thread somewhere, so people can discuss this.

 

[Doomsought]

I still don’t understand why you guys use mail-in voting and electronic voting.
Really, just use paper vote and make the day of the vote a day off, that’s it, there is no need to complicate something that work.

Absentee voting exists for one reason: to enlist members of the military out on deployment. It has been alter expanded to others.

Electronic voting is a result of the dot-com bubble.

Mail in voting was pushed through to enable voter fraud.

 

[Bacle]

"We need to get rid of the secret ballot to own the libs" is certainly a new argument I haven't seen before, I have to admit.

I'm of the view that privacy as we once knew it is effectively dead, and that electoral security now necessitates being able to link a specific ballot to a specific individual.

We already effectively gave up the secret ballot when we ok'd mail-in and absentee ballots, and it's not like many people hide their political beliefs these days.

Adaption is the name of the game in survival, be it physical, social, or political.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If you wish, we can make a federalism vs unitary thread somewhere, so people can discuss this.

I'm shite at debates and whatnot, but that could be interesting.