'Climate Change' and the coming 'Climate Lockdown'

[Typhonis]

How viable is this idea? Converting a coal-powered power plant into a nuclear one?

 

[Marduk]

How viable is this idea? Converting a coal-powered power plant into a nuclear one?

Theoretically possible. In practice most coal power plants are in less than optimal locations for it and have less than optimal generators for it, while the really expensive part, the nuclear stuff, has to be built anyway.
In a way it would be like shopping for a new car specifically so that you can reuse the wheels, radio and battery from the old car. You can do it, but it's going to limit your options, and you won't save a lot of money in return.

 

[gral]

How viable is this idea? Converting a coal-powered power plant into a nuclear one?

You could reuse a lot of things - they are both steam power plants, the change is what makes the steam used to spin the turbine generators. I still don't think(at first glance) it's viable for the vast majority of cases, though - building the reactor and associated installations is so expensive you might as well build an entirely new power plant, designed for the reactor, instead of trying to find a reactor that would fit the equipment you already have.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

How viable is this idea? Converting a coal-powered power plant into a nuclear one?

The expensive bits of a nuclear plant is all the supplimentary stuff to ensure it doesn't go Chernobyl, and to ensure reliability.
The cheap bits is the turbine, and steam related stuff.
If you're going to 'convert' a coal plant, you're going to have to cut out so much machinery from the building that it's going to cost the same as building one from scratch.

 

[Scottty]

The expensive bits of a nuclear plant is all the supplimentary stuff to ensure it doesn't go Chernobyl, and to ensure reliability.
The cheap bits is the turbine, and steam related stuff.
If you're going to 'convert' a coal plant, you're going to have to cut out so much machinery from the building that it's going to cost the same as building one from scratch.

Well at least if you want to do it with anything remotely resembling Western safety standards...

I'd imagine there's a "meanwhile, in China..."

 

[DarthOne]

Well at least if you want to do it with anything remotely resembling Western safety standards...

I'd imagine there's a "meanwhile, in China..."

Because there probably will be.

 

[mrttao]

EV stands for Exploding Vehicles

Now in e-bike flavor

This is what it looks like when lithium-ion batteries explode in your hotel room

If I'm these guys, I am counting every single lucky star I can lay my eyes on:

notthebee.com

 

[DarthOne]

World's biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

World’s biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

The plant never operated at more than a third of its total capacity in its 13 years since being built.

justthenews.com

The plant never operated at more than a third of its total capacity in its 13 years since being built.

Occidental Petroleum quietly sold off a carbon capture facility – the world's largest — that was built into a natural gas processing plant in Texas, according to a Bloomberg Green investigation.

The plant, called Century, never operated at more than a third of its capacity since it was built in 2010. According to statements the company made to Bloomberg Green, the technology worked, and the facility continues to operate as designed.

The economics of Century weren't good because of limited amounts of natural gas coming from a nearby field, according to the report, and as a result, the plant fell into disuse before its divestment. It was sold off for a fraction of the cost to build it.
Total carbon capture capacity globally is approximately 45 million tons of carbon dioxide per year, which is about 4% of what's needed to be operational by 2030 in order to reach the International Energy Agency's net zero targets by 2050.

Occidental is one of the biggest investors in carbon capture and storage. It operates a billion-dollar complex called Stratos about 100 miles from Century. The Stratos facility uses direct air capture, which sucks carbon dioxide from the air to be stored underground. The company intends to build 100 plants just like it, Bloomberg Green reports.

"13 years since being built"

since the Obama climate grift began in earnest FTFY

 

[Scottty]

World's biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

World’s biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

The plant never operated at more than a third of its total capacity in its 13 years since being built.

justthenews.com

"13 years since being built"

since the Obama climate grift began in earnest FTFY

I get the impression that even if man-made global warming were real (it's not) people like Obama would not seriously want to fix it. They'd just use the issue to scam people.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Carbon capture via artificial methods is one of the dumbest scams that elites have pushed onto gulible greenies.
Want to capture carbon? Good luck because naturally there's only a handful of methods, the most common of which is sea algae. We can't exactly make more ocean so lets move to number two method.

TREES.

TREES ARE CHEAP AS DIRT AND PISS EASY TO PLANT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

 

[mrttao]

World's biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

World’s biggest carbon capture plant quietly sold off for a fraction of what it cost to build it

The plant never operated at more than a third of its total capacity in its 13 years since being built.

justthenews.com

"13 years since being built"

since the Obama climate grift began in earnest FTFY

So, it says the reason it was so under utilized is because they chocked the natural gas supply. (as the capture plant was attached to a gas burning power plant).

Had they not chocked the fuel supply, it would have burned nat gas at full tilt to make clean power and then captured the carbon it made.

Carbon, once captured, can be sold and is used for a variety of functions. (such as for example food storage. by replacing air with pure Co2 you get good increase to shelf life. it is what they do in chips bags)

Of course those morons want to sequester it underground which is just stupid.

Carbon capture via artificial methods is one of the dumbest scams that elites have pushed onto gulible greenies.
Want to capture carbon? Good luck because naturally there's only a handful of methods, the most common of which is sea algae. We can't exactly make more ocean so lets move to number two method.

TREES.

TREES ARE CHEAP AS DIRT AND PISS EASY TO PLANT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Yep. If the goal was saving the environment they would be planting forests. instead they are using it to push communism and green scams that line the pockets of politicians

 

[Scottty]

Carbon capture via artificial methods is one of the dumbest scams that elites have pushed onto gulible greenies.
Want to capture carbon? Good luck because naturally there's only a handful of methods, the most common of which is sea algae. We can't exactly make more ocean so lets move to number two method.

TREES.

TREES ARE CHEAP AS DIRT AND PISS EASY TO PLANT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

And I suddenly have a mental image of an Islamic fundamentalist being grabbed and killed by an Ent.

 

[mrttao]

Don't forget the liquid trees

Scientists Invent 'Liquid Trees', Get Roasted by Twitter

What was wrong with the original

cheezburger.com

Linked is the least censored version of the replies I could find. Most places were trying very very hard to spin it as "ignorant trolls on the interwebs don't know what they are talking about"

Still it is missing some of the best replies.
Which were pointing out:
1. how much of a financial scam it is
2. cost of deployment
3. vulnerability. this glass is fragile and will break.
4. how it is NOT more efficient than trees like claimed.
5. it requires a human caretaker to take out some algea and add water and fertilizer every 2 weeks. meaning massive maintenance cost compared to trees who... you just plant and that is it.

 

[mrttao]

TLDR:
EPA: 34 out of 36 studies say your pesticide atrazine is bad.
Most of these were funded by you. They still say it is bad.
The scientists you hired to do those studies say you tried to bribe them with millions of dollars to lie and say it is harmless.

Syngenta: here is "good science protocols" for how to test Syngenta(TM) brand pesticide.
Syngenta: here is New Study I made using protocols. showing it is harmless.

EPA: ok. we disqualified all 36 previous studies for not following your "good science protocols" you just wrote. They are now "bad science"
EPA: 100% (1 out of 1) of studies show your pesticide is totes harmless. approved! also since 100% of all scientists agree, it is now a "science consensus" so we will refuse to accept any new studies on the matter.

And this is why our water is full of pesticide that turns frogs intersex. And causes several other problems too.

So... followup to this.
turns out Syngenta is owned by the CCP government directly.

Arkansas just became the first state to force a Chinese state-owned company to sell its land and get the heck out!

Arkansas is kicking out a Chinese-owned seed company in a first-of-its-kind action.

notthebee.com

 

[Marduk]

Carbon capture via artificial methods is one of the dumbest scams that elites have pushed onto gulible greenies.
Want to capture carbon? Good luck because naturally there's only a handful of methods, the most common of which is sea algae. We can't exactly make more ocean so lets move to number two method.

TREES.

TREES ARE CHEAP AS DIRT AND PISS EASY TO PLANT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Yeah, in the end a lot of green policy is more about catering to certain useful idiot's pseudoreligious beliefs and filling the pockets of "energy business" scammers. Like this, and the common hostility of green movement to nuclear power, not to mention not giving much of a shit about third world's CO2 emissions. It's about having an argument to win debates and push stupid shit at western countries that have more money than sense first, any real effects on global scale come second.

You see, planting and then cutting shitloads of trees, preferably heavily laced with chemicals that will stop the wood from decaying for a few centuries, and selling that wood for useful things does not have an air of green virtue signalling, and to add insult for injury, may pay for itself without scamming money out of the state or gullible idiots, so no one cares. For them to count, the area with trees would have to be turned into an untouchable reserve, a return to sacred woods you see, or at least the wood should be buried so that it makes no economic sense as a proper green scam. For the scam to count someone has to be getting scammed and someone has to be getting rich out of the political influence of green movement.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I'm going to have to see if I can find an article/study I read a while back. Basically looked at total land area in the US over history to see how much actual forest we have here. It stated that we have more forest in the US today than we did in the 1800's. The answer: timber companies PLANT TREES in order to make more money. Article was done to directly address the, "OH MY GOD! All the old-growth forests are dying and we won't have any trees left in the USA!" claim.

 

[Scottty]

I'm going to have to see if I can find an article/study I read a while back. Basically looked at total land area in the US over history to see how much actual forest we have here. It stated that we have more forest in the US today than we did in the 1800's. The answer: timber companies PLANT TREES in order to make more money. Article was done to directly address the, "OH MY GOD! All the old-growth forests are dying and we won't have any trees left in the USA!" claim.

Leftoids don't seem to understand the concept of building and planting and creating more value. They only think it terms of stealing and looting value. The idea that a tree is there because someone planted it is alien to their minds.

 

[Flintsteel]

To be fair, we while total forested land is up, we don't really have any true old-growth forests anymore (old-growth normally is normally 200-300 years or so).

So we need to leave some of those forests alone for a while, so we can have some really nice timber (just so long as balloon framing doesn't come back).

 

[The Whispering Monk]

To be fair, we while total forested land is up, we don't really have any true old-growth forests anymore (old-growth normally is normally 200-300 years or so).

So we need to leave some of those forests alone for a while, so we can have some really nice timber (just so long as balloon framing doesn't come back).

Define 'really nice timber' for me and why we need it please.

 

[Cherico]

Leftoids don't seem to understand the concept of building and planting and creating more value. They only think it terms of stealing and looting value. The idea that a tree is there because someone planted it is alien to their minds.

when you look at every socialist country ever this makes sense.