'Climate Change' and the coming 'Climate Lockdown'

The answer to that is that we need to make it be realistic for Joe Normal to outright own his suburban or rural. The sort of plan I have vaguely in mind involves a big pile of dead oligarchs.
This is something that creeps me out. Way too many people nowadays basically go "Lets reduce EVERYONE's standard of living, fuck yeah COMMIE BLOCKS ARE SO RETRO!" instead of. Oh I dunno. Improving the standards of living so that everyone may live as a king?
I think once we figured out how to split the atom, living as peasants should've been a thing of the past.
 
This is something that creeps me out. Way too many people nowadays basically go "Lets reduce EVERYONE's standard of living, fuck yeah COMMIE BLOCKS ARE SO RETRO!"
Shrug. Socialism preys on envy.

It's not ever about improving everyone's lives. It about targeting (group) that has it too good and is the scapegoat the mob leaders blame for the mobs problems and dragging them down to their level. Equality and such.

Of course the elites are actually grabbing more power than ever but it's the right elites that (claim to) believe all the right things. All the other elites get fed to the mob and their assets seized for the elites that organized and executed the takeover. Er... I mean for the state.
 
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This is something that creeps me out. Way too many people nowadays basically go "Lets reduce EVERYONE's standard of living, fuck yeah COMMIE BLOCKS ARE SO RETRO!" instead of. Oh I dunno. Improving the standards of living so that everyone may live as a king?
I think once we figured out how to split the atom, living as peasants should've been a thing of the past.

The soviet union basically funded the green movement during the cold war expecially anti nuclear stuff so they could continue selling oil, coal and other resources to support themselves. If we nuclearized the developed worlds power grids we could drastically reduce both electrical prices and carbon outcome.

This is one of the few times where the french got it right.
 
Apartments have their own problems.

Common infrastructure maintenance, replacing a pipe means stopping water for the whole upwards line of apartments.

Idiot neighbors and idiot guests.

Dogs barking, drills drilling especially during the dreaded 'remont' season.

Some drunk sleeping in the ground floor corridor.
 
AKA a bunch of nonsensical conspiracy theories. Well that an operating under the assumption that buying a house in the suburbs is realistic for many people and and not realizing that increasing number of people living in suburbs rent their housing there rather than owning it.
In case you haven't noticed, a lot of those "nonsensical conspiracy theories" have turned out to be entirely true as of late. That said, I'm actually with you on the whole walkable cities front; it's just that yours and my vision of what that would actually entail (I assume with things like less restrictive zoning laws, as well as better infrastructure/city planning accommodating pedestrians, bike riders, and those taking public transportation) doesn't match up with what the establishment elite are currently trying to push on everyone, and people who don't actually know enough about the issue to see a distinction between the two groups are mistakenly jumping the gun and assuming guilt by association.
 
In case you haven't noticed, a lot of those "nonsensical conspiracy theories" have turned out to be entirely true as of late. That said, I'm actually with you on the whole walkable cities front; it's just that yours and my vision of what that would actually entail (I assume with things like less restrictive zoning laws, as well as better infrastructure/city planning accommodating pedestrians, bike riders, and those taking public transportation) doesn't match up with what the establishment elite are currently trying to push on everyone, and people who don't actually know enough about the issue to see a distinction between the two groups are mistakenly jumping the gun and assuming guilt by association.
Same here. I also liked the idea of a nice comfy well designed city where everything is nearby.

But then I watches some videos from the world economic forum where they explain what they actually mean and my "oh that sounds comfy" turned into horror.
 
The soviet union basically funded the green movement during the cold war expecially anti nuclear stuff so they could continue selling oil, coal and other resources to support themselves. If we nuclearized the developed worlds power grids we could drastically reduce both electrical prices and carbon outcome.

This is one of the few times where the french got it right.
It hurts to admit but every once in a while they got a good idea.
 
I will never understand why people here hate the idea of walkable cities. Commuting from city to suburb and back by car everyday sucks.
AKA a bunch of nonsensical conspiracy theories. Well that an operating under the assumption that buying a house in the suburbs is realistic for many people and and not realizing that increasing number of people living in suburbs rent their housing there rather than owning it.
Because the "walkable cities" come with their advantage advertisement in the name, but no one wants to weight the disadvantages, because that concept absolutely does have them, and many (especially greens) want to handwave them away, or even make them sound like necessities. I obviously mean shitting on car owners with restrictions and taxes in particular, and we all know what political factions love that.

Yeah, the property bubble problem is spreading from cities to suburbs, which raises even more complex questions, why would the kind of people who can afford to live in a "walkable city" want it to be walkable? Who is supposed to live in a city anyway?
Say, for someone who is not particularly healthy, be it from age, sickness or being a lardass, the need to walk or use public transport to get anywhere can quickly turn from advantage to disadvantage. Or even someone who for work or other reason needs to carry around lots of stuff.

And last but not least, i keep saying this, "nudging" people into walking around or public transport would not generate the same amount of discontent if it was not pushed by the very same people who also are perfectly ok with large sections of said cities having the sidewalks and public transport they expect people to use filled with crazy hobos, gangbangers, junkies and illegal immigrants. Oh, also no guns or decent self defense rights for you, fuck you. The most functional "walkable cities" in Asia at least have their leadership absolutely insistent on countering such problems harshly before they even develop, they have absolutely no patience for the kind of shit cities like San Francisco or Chicago have recently gotten infamous for.
If they weren't like this, the people there would also think moving around a city in a personal 2 ton metal can is preferable.
 
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I just don't like cities in general and don't want to live in one. a walkable city just sounds like a slightly worse version of something I already don't want. like if someone combined the flavor of a kale and beet smoothie with all the health benefits of a lethal dose of mercury. I already didn't want the smoothie you didn't need to make it worse.
 
The most functional "walkable cities" in Asia at least have their leadership absolutely insistent on countering such problems harshly before they even develop, they have absolutely no patience for the kind of shit cities like San Francisco or Chicago have recently gotten infamous for.
From what I've heard from people who've been to China the cities are filthy with feces and waste.
 
The bottom line is, if these inbread hereditary fuckwits and crony capitalists want something like "walkable cities" it means at least one of the following four things:
1) They want to have more control over you.
2) They want to suck out more productivity/money out of you.
3) It is just more idiotic green pandering disguising their grifting.
4) They want you to consume less because they want to consume at the same level or more. If you want to shut up the green agenda pushers just demand they start by banning private jets.
 
From what I've heard from people who've been to China the cities are filthy with feces and waste.
Filthy, yes, but they are more used to it, and they probably don't have criminals with a sense of impunity (or no sense of anything coz drugs) roaming around it or hobos camping in it.
 
I will never understand why people here hate the idea of walkable cities. Commuting from city to suburb and back by car everyday sucks.
There's a few key aspects to this.

1. The lefties are often trying to implement it in cities that already exist, and this is utterly impractical.

London with its 'Ultra Low Emissions Zone' and some other smaller British cities where they're trying to implement it more directly, are already having problems. Notably, this is in the UK, not the USA, where towns and cities are older, and their initial construction and layout was actually in the period when on foot or horse was the only way to get around, so they don't have the broad spacing and sprawl a lot of American cities do.

Even there, people use cars for a reason. People walk sometimes, use public transportation sometimes, and use the car sometimes, for a very bloody good reason.

What is the primary way that the lefties are trying to create the 15-minute city?

By banning, fining so steeply as to be a functional ban, or barricade key roads so they can no longer be passed by, cars. It's just straight up 'we are going to stop you from doing this thing we don't like.'

It's not something they're trying to establish by incentive, making things so convenient you don't need to bother, it's something they're trying to establish via the stick.


2. Attempts to build new settlements based on this model tend to be done increadibly unethically.

Famously, Holland is dealing with their government trying to force farmers out so they can build their new model city, there's recurring word that the wildfire that swept through Maui, WEF-types are trying to buy up the land to build their new-model city there.

These aren't inherent to the process, but a recurring thing we see is that authoritarians are trying to do this in places better suited for other things, where they can use unethical means to get the land, or similar. There may be some media bias about the nasty cases drawing attention, but given how many friends in the press the '15 minute city' crowd has, the failure to get good press for other attempts, suggests that there are few or no other such attempts.


3. The idea of a 15-minute city is nonsensical in the first place.

If there's a place where you can get everything you want/need within 15 minutes on foot, that isn't a city, that's a town. If it's part of a larger urban structure, you're trying to carve a town out of a city, and that's not going to work well, because the whole advantage of being in a major population center, is all the services and amenities that are available across the whole urban area, not just one town-sized slice of it.

A much more practical solution to the problem that 15-minute cities are ostensibly trying to fix, is something that already appears to be in the process of happening. Telecommunications and increasingly efficient high-speed travel capabilities, make it so that the financial advantages of high-density urbanization are much more marginal, so businesses are starting to move out of metropolises, into medium-sized cities and small towns.


4. The people pushing 15-minute cities are incompetent, ideologically-motivated socialists and communists.

Pretty much everyone involved in this movement is a card-carrying member of the political left. You generally find them supporting DEI, wealth redistribution, restrictions on freedoms, and a general attitude of 'if it makes the government bigger and more powerful, it must be a good idea.'

I like the abstract concept of a 15-minute city myself. I moved to a small town earlier this year, that I can bike across in about 15 minutes. It's pretty nice.

But even if the basic concept has merit, the people who are trying to implement it are known bad actors, and will absolutely use it to try to take more and more control of everyone's lives, 'for their own good,' of course.



Between these four issues, there's basically no way for such attempts at social engineering to turn out well.
 
There's a few key aspects to this.

1. The lefties are often trying to implement it in cities that already exist, and this is utterly impractical.

London with its 'Ultra Low Emissions Zone' and some other smaller British cities where they're trying to implement it more directly, are already having problems. Notably, this is in the UK, not the USA, where towns and cities are older, and their initial construction and layout was actually in the period when on foot or horse was the only way to get around, so they don't have the broad spacing and sprawl a lot of American cities do.

Even there, people use cars for a reason. People walk sometimes, use public transportation sometimes, and use the car sometimes, for a very bloody good reason.

What is the primary way that the lefties are trying to create the 15-minute city?

By banning, fining so steeply as to be a functional ban, or barricade key roads so they can no longer be passed by, cars. It's just straight up 'we are going to stop you from doing this thing we don't like.'

It's not something they're trying to establish by incentive, making things so convenient you don't need to bother, it's something they're trying to establish via the stick.
Look at it another way, it's also yet another socialist scheme to eliminate the middle class.
If you can afford an expensive ass cars, preferably hybrid or electric, all the parking and congestion related taxes even for those cars, and so on, you can in fact use a car there.
If not, you belong to the plebs.
If you have a government vehicle to drive you around, you are the new nobility.
If you have a small business, especially one involving use of a van or whole truck to move around the city with tools and materials, screw you.
If you own a business, house or apartment in the city and need to hire the above contractor to do something for you, also screw you, because that extra taxation and costs of compliance will be passed onto you.
Overall, a lot of extra tax money for the city, and you know left wing city government love fleecing people, no matter what's the excuse they need to invent for it, another classic.
2. Attempts to build new settlements based on this model tend to be done increadibly unethically.

Famously, Holland is dealing with their government trying to force farmers out so they can build their new model city, there's recurring word that the wildfire that swept through Maui, WEF-types are trying to buy up the land to build their new-model city there.

These aren't inherent to the process, but a recurring thing we see is that authoritarians are trying to do this in places better suited for other things, where they can use unethical means to get the land, or similar. There may be some media bias about the nasty cases drawing attention, but given how many friends in the press the '15 minute city' crowd has, the failure to get good press for other attempts, suggests that there are few or no other such attempts.
Yeah, another excuse for nothing new. Massive rearrangements of city real estate, zoning and regulation for it were always perfect ground for practicing crony capitalism. If the useful idiots give them ideas to hide this behind, they can roll with that. Imagine all the newly "unnecessary" roads and parking space in most expensive locations being sold off for construction ground under the excuse...
3. The idea of a 15-minute city is nonsensical in the first place.

If there's a place where you can get everything you want/need within 15 minutes on foot, that isn't a city, that's a town. If it's part of a larger urban structure, you're trying to carve a town out of a city, and that's not going to work well, because the whole advantage of being in a major population center, is all the services and amenities that are available across the whole urban area, not just one town-sized slice of it.

A much more practical solution to the problem that 15-minute cities are ostensibly trying to fix, is something that already appears to be in the process of happening. Telecommunications and increasingly efficient high-speed travel capabilities, make it so that the financial advantages of high-density urbanization are much more marginal, so businesses are starting to move out of metropolises, into medium-sized cities and small towns.


4. The people pushing 15-minute cities are incompetent, ideologically-motivated socialists and communists.

Pretty much everyone involved in this movement is a card-carrying member of the political left. You generally find them supporting DEI, wealth redistribution, restrictions on freedoms, and a general attitude of 'if it makes the government bigger and more powerful, it must be a good idea.'

I like the abstract concept of a 15-minute city myself. I moved to a small town earlier this year, that I can bike across in about 15 minutes. It's pretty nice.

But even if the basic concept has merit, the people who are trying to implement it are known bad actors, and will absolutely use it to try to take more and more control of everyone's lives, 'for their own good,' of course.



Between these four issues, there's basically no way for such attempts at social engineering to turn out well.
As i said, the closest existing thing to what this would be like is probably found in Japan or South Korea. The problem is, the people pushing this are unable and even more so unwilling to replicate many of the socio-cultural factors that make it work as well as it does in these countries. For starters their "soft on crime" policies, especially the most extreme, progressive ones, are pretty much mutually exclusive with the idea of public transport being something other than the desperate choice of those who can't use a car or afford to get an uber for this or that reason.
 
From what I've heard from people who've been to China the cities are filthy with feces and waste.
I remember seeing a video that was basically

> I am chinese person living in china
> Reddit is a bunch of sinophiles
> They were posting a bunch of posts on how the CCP makes sure everyone has basic necessities and housing because "muh advantage of communism" and keep the streets clean because "muh advantages of authoritarinanism"
> I posted this video. where I just walk outside for 5 minutes and count almost 20 homeless people and trash all over the street.
> embeds video.
> They proceeded to ban me and delete the video.

The 5 minute walking around clip where he goes through all those homeless people around the block was just sad and depressing.
 
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Is this gonna become an election year thing.

MSNC
One year they'll slip up and name a variant after a candidate using it the Joeforbisonocron strain continues, as mild summer colds create false positives as all coronaviruses will all cause that.

Wear a mask, and a ventilator will probably kill you, but we've instructed the medical staff to not think critically just follow directions.

People staring blankly at their phones in hand mask up ...

🌌Who know we live in an episode of 90s Outer limits.

Cyberpunk then eh
Critical thinking skills are so bad that even the conspiracy theorists some of them don't see Trump as part of this.

Um who was in office when...
 
4) They want you to consume less because they want to consume at the same level or more. If you want to shut up the green agenda pushers just demand they start by banning private jets.
They've already made excuses/workarounds for this one, because loopholes is what they do best.

Technically none of these people 'own a private jet', the jet is not theirs, they cannot just take it out for a spin whenever they want.
It's owned by a company that they themselves own. They have to do like 5 minutes of paperwork to get a flight anywhere they want on it, for free (other than the money the company needs to fly it of course).
...
Which 'totally' doesn't make it a private jet. Nuh uh!
 
Does anyone remember how they couldn't cure the common cold with a vaccine.

Well


Nice little scientific article for anyone up there.
 
Does anyone remember how they couldn't cure the common cold with a vaccine.

Well


Nice little scientific article for anyone up there.
Ok, that's generally beyond me, without a LOT of work, but I got the gist.

If you took the Vax, you have a higher chance of cancer. Potentualy much, much higher chance of cancer.
 

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