Everything what he is doing is political suicide - or would be,if there would be honest elections.He stolen elections in 2020,why he could not do the same later?
And China do not need attack Taiwan as long as USA are their pet.
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
And the Afghanistan withdrawal wasn't? I think we need to acknowledge that "political suicide" just isn't a thing anymore; or at least not a thing those in charge right now care about.
A-stan was and wasn't.
We saw how heavy he was shit in for it.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Who the hell cares how much "shit" he was in? It's all theater; an utterly pointless waste of time. Nobody was punished for what went down; and no one is going to be punished, so long as the establish maintains their ever-tightening grip on power.
You don't know that.
I mean, you have seen how many turned against him.
The left is tearing itself apart
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
People claimed the same before the presidental elections and we all know how well that turned out. Sure, there are some squabbles over the division of spoils, but they can still agree on keeping the power and oppressing the wrongthinkers, they will only turn on each other once the corpse of the USA is picked to the bone and there are not enough wrongthinkers left to sate their bloodlust.
Doomsought
Well-known member
The specific form of infighting they have only looks like a detriment to us because we think in terms of prosperity rather than control.
No it's not, aside from Manchin and Sinema putting the kibosh on a bunch of Joe's wishlist.
Thinking the Left will get so weak from internal in-fighting, instead of just being part theater/part pecking order tiff, is naive as shit.
No, Biden is not worried about 'political suicide' and neither are his handlers; they already got away with stealing one election, why would they not feel confident they can pull it off again, no matter how unpopular Biden or Harris are.
Bassoe
Well-known member
Starting WW3 and/or ordering an american draft would also be political suicide.
Does not matter,as long as he could win and keep faking elections.
Defending Taiwan is less of political suicide then ww3
One leads to the other, let's not pretend otherwise.
No fight over Taiwan will stay non-nuclear, and once that happens, is very easy for MAD to come into play.
It does not matter if a move is 'political suicide', when the people involved already stole an election and control most levers of power.
Though I could see Biden/Pelosi ordering a draft targeted at just red areas, to help kill of the future of the Right.
In all likelihood, no conflict over Taiwan will occur, because China already owns DC, and can play a long game of subverting local Taiwanese politics.
The military training/operation angle to the whole Taiwan issue also helps prop up Xi at home, while he's dealing with mounting domestic issues. It also lets China flex it muscles and look tough internationally by flying around and violating Taiwanese airspace.
But people on both sides of the Pacific know that an actual shooting war over Taiwan could very easily escalate to WW3, and claiming otherwise is either foolish, deceptive, or ignorant.
China is not going to nuke taiwan if they want to save face.
They wont nuke someone over Taiwan, because they are not that stupid
They already put that 'Japan Exception' in thier nuclear doctrine.
If Japan attempts to aid Taiwan in a fight, China now has a policy of hitting Japan with 2-3 nukes per 'violation', regardless of what the US does.
And if nukes fall on Japan, no way nukes do not fall on China in return, and then we are off to the MAD races.
Thinking a war with China over Taiwan won't go nuclear is propoganda used to make the fight seem more winnable for recruiting and PR purposes, not an actual reflection of the reality of such a conflict.
Do you actually think China is going to Nuke Japan?
If the CCP/Xi decide to go for Taiwan militarily, and Japan honors their separate defense pact with Taiwan, yes, yes I do think the CCP/Xi would nuke Japan and probably anyone else who tried to help Taiwan.
They also know they are basically hitting MAD for the world at that point.
THey are not willing to have their country become a radiation hellhole just to takeTaiwan
And most parts of the US are not willing to risk becoming an irradiated hellhole to DEFEND Taiwan.
We need to reshore the shit we depend on Taiwan for, if we are not going to go whole hog and treat them as a legit nation worthy a direct nuke umbrella. A direct nuke umbrella on Taiwan will actually give it more security, because then there is no way for any attempt on Taiwan to remain 'conventional'.
The unwillingness to properly sort out Taiwan's status, and give them the proper tools to deter the CCP, is why we are in this mess now.
No, I think you advocate for it being a 'conventional war' is because the military needs civies to think war over Taiwan can be kept below the MAD threshold for recruiting and PR purposes.
If civies continue to think that war over Taiwan will end in MAD, it'll be hard to recruit soldiers/sailors for said conflict, because they would know that the war would have no winners and their possible deaths would be meaningless because MAD would destroy their nation anyway.
bintananth
behind a desk
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Will they? Probably not, but you never know because all it takes is for the person in charge to say "let's do this" and the nukes fly.
Do you recall how people were publicly concerned that Trump might use nukes in a fit of pique? I do, wasn't worried he would, and can't say the same about China.