Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Translation: Eastern Europe all but fled into America’s arms first chance it got. That should indicate what a “generous” overlord Russia was.
China ChiCom News Thread
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
We've tolerated worse from our "allies"; so there's no reason we couldn't have at least tried to bury the hatchet (beyond lingering fear and animosity), instead of taking the opportunity to sharpen it.
You can only join NATO by asking to join. The fact that the countries that joined wanted to so bad should tell you they feared the fucking Russians.
No, he made us his enemy
They wanted to join.
We did not force them.
We did not persuade then.
They begged
Terthna
Professional Lurker
For good reason; but that doesn't mean we had to say yes. We've refused to help people before in the name of realpolitik.
The only way to really do that is to bury the hatchet in Russia's "head". That entity has become a rabid bear that needs to be put down.
Edited for spelling...yeesh
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
Whether or not that was always the case is the issue; though at this point the argument is mostly academic, as the current reality is as you describe. There is no making friends with what Russia has become.
Why should we have said no. Russia ain't no special country that deserves special privilages. I keep hearing that Russia needs to feel safe because it's capital is on a flat plane with no mountains to stop and enemy. Well those Baltic States are also on that flat plain and they weren't trying to invade Germany or Denmark to create buffer states. Russia is the Biggest country in landmass on the planet. They border a shit ton of countries. Russians need to get the fuck over themselves. They don't deserve special treatment. They have freaking nukes for protection.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
It's called compromise. And besides; we gave special privileges to countries like China and Saudi Arabia. Why not Russia?
Well considering 1 became a massive piggy bank for religious extremism and the other our primary geo strategic rival. The whole special privileges thing doesn't have a very good track record now does it. Why would it have worked out with Russia when it didn't woth Arabia or China exactly?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Did you miss basically the entirety of the Obama administration, where 'let's be nice to Russia' was the mood of the day?
As best as I can tell, the Democrats didn't start disliking Russia until Hillary used them as the excuse for why she lost the 2016 election.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Because as I understand it, the Chinese and Saudi Arabians always hated us, and wanted to destroy America and the West in general; while the Russian people actually thought positively of the United States for a time after the fall of the Soviet Union, and were entertaining the idea of becoming friends with us.
I remember Obama antagonizing and condemning Russia at almost every opportunity; to the point where he screwed over Biden one time by dissing them at what I think was a UN summit, at the same time his Vice President was reportedly in talks with them over the situation in Ukraine.
As much as we disagree Sailor X is right on this one.
Russia is an absolutely shit imperial overlord, they were pricks during their imperial phase of the russian empire and the soviet empire was in many ways even worse and even more opressive then that. As shitty as america can be we are mostly hands off on how a country in our sphere of influence handles its internal stuff (mostly because we dont pay attention).
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I don't disagree; I just think there was a chance they could have become something better if we had offered them an olive branch and compromised after the Soviet Union fell. But I guess we'll never know now.
Article in the Epoch Times
By Terri Wu
Foreign investments are leaving China.
Half of the $250 billion to $ 300 billion foreign bond investments since 2019 have exited, and U.S. private equity and venture capital investments in China have fallen by more than 50 percent, according to a JP Morgan report last month.
Foreign direct investment into China in the second quarter of this year reached a 25-year low at $4.9 billion, with a year-on-year decline of 87 percent, according to Chinese official data.
There's more to the article, but that's the gist of it.
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By Terri Wu
Foreign investments are leaving China.
Half of the $250 billion to $ 300 billion foreign bond investments since 2019 have exited, and U.S. private equity and venture capital investments in China have fallen by more than 50 percent, according to a JP Morgan report last month.
Foreign direct investment into China in the second quarter of this year reached a 25-year low at $4.9 billion, with a year-on-year decline of 87 percent, according to Chinese official data.
There's more to the article, but that's the gist of it.
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yeah this wont be the thing that crashes China's economy, there are a lot of things that could do it my money being on their property market finally blowing up but it wont be this.
We'll see. The property market is 30% of the PRC economy. A significant segment that turned out to be a gigantic ponzi scheme and money laundering operation for the CCP. One that is collapsing. Then there is the crumbling tofu infrastructure, the largest being the Three Gorges Dam, the lack of fresh water and the pollution of the limited sources they do have. Tibet is their last hope for water security, but even then Chinese bullshit has polluted the sources in the Tibetan Plateau.
communism not even once my friend.
No,he is kgb mafia member who was always crying after soviets.He would try recreate it no matter what USA would do.
True,he was drunkard,but honestly tried to create New Russia.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Out of curiosity, how fucked do you think the PRC is compared to the USSR?
When you put it that way, the similarities between Soviet stagnation in the Eighties and Red China's crumbling now are hard to miss. If anything, my sense is that even if they're more economically literate in the short term, the long term has the Chinese facing for a way rougher fall from grace than Russia in the Nineties.