United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[Arlos]

often with the misconception that farming is easy because the plants grow themselves so really you just need to own tons of land, hire immigrant labor for four cents an hour to pick for you while you sip lemonade, and you're done. This is often paired with sentiments like "Poor farmer... owns 500 acres... pick one."

There is much wrong here I am not even sure where to start....pfew.
How do you get this disconnected from reality?

 

[LordsFire]

Has China ever won a war that isn't in it's own backyard?

If the US and China dec war on each other right now over, say, some South China Sea stuff that somehow keeps escalating, how does that end?

This has been repeatedly brought up on other threads; to give a short answer here to avoid derail:

It ends poorly for the US military, with substantial losses taken.

It ends disastrously for the CCP, as if the US actually shows willingness to fight a hot conflict with China, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philipines, and India are all almost certain to jump in as immediately-neighboring nations who want China removed as a regional threat. And then there's the usual US coalition allies.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

They seem to think this will flip rural areas blue.

Do they want lynchings to come back, complete with villages keeping their mouths shut to any outsider investigators? Because that's how they will come back.

 

[Bear Ribs]

There is much wrong here I am not even sure where to start....pfew.
How do you get this disconnected from reality?

Weeeeelllllll.....

“Anybody, even people in this room can be a farmer. It’s a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.” -Michael Bloomberg

 

[StormEagle]

Weeeeelllllll.....

“Anybody, even people in this room can be a farmer. It’s a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.” -Michael Bloomberg

This just shows that liberals are complete morons, with no fucking clue of how much work and effort goes into land management and actually managing to get a successful crop to market.

I’m a fucking grocery store worker, and I understand more about the processes of farming and ranching than Little Mikey Bloomberg does.

That fact, should fucking terrify people.

 

[Bacle]

Oh shit.

Your last sentence.

Suddenly it all makes complete sense.

Yes, it makes a lot of sense, and it's why the Left keeps winning while the Right keeps losing.

The Left are capable of long term, institutional, multigenerational planning and adapting plans/tactics to fit current realities.

The Right just wants to try to turn back the clock on a lot of things, and go 'I just want to grill', as if that's a 'plan'. And the neo-cons just want forever wars and corporate donations to keep coming in from Country Club Republicans who are effectively just neo-libs that don't like abortion.

The more I see of the Right, the more I realize they will never be able win, or even barely keep what little power they have, without people like Trump who can actually adapt and understand modern realities. Which is precisely why Trump was sabotaged by so many neo-cons, and why the Left pulled out all the stops to cheat when China handed them a great excuse for mass mail-in voting.

It's getting to the point I feel like trying to moderate the Dems has a better ROI than continuing to support the Right in futile fights.

 

[Zachowon]

There is much wrong here I am not even sure where to start....pfew.
How do you get this disconnected from reality?

Yes, yes they are.
I worked in lawn and Garden at Walmart and I learned how to garden, not even farm, and that is more then most leftists

This has been repeatedly brought up on other threads; to give a short answer here to avoid derail:

It ends poorly for the US military, with substantial losses taken.

It ends disastrously for the CCP, as if the US actually shows willingness to fight a hot conflict with China, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philipines, and India are all almost certain to jump in as immediately-neighboring nations who want China removed as a regional threat. And then there's the usual US coalition allies.

It wouldn't be as disastrous for us as some think.
Ot would still hurt like a mother.

 

[LindyAF]

The Left are capable of long term, institutional, multigenerational planning and adapting plans/tactics to fit current realities.

Agree with this to a certain extent- the left is at least capable of recognizing and supporting policies that further their own political power. But OTOH, I think a lot of it is fundamentally built on sand. The liberal understanding of the world is built on certain facts, and certain assumptions about human nature, that aren't true. "Current realities" is often a fancy way of saying the latest fad, and tactics that adapt to the latest fad while ignoring actual, unchanging reality might enjoy some success but are ultimately doomed. We saw how these sorts of experiments with farming played out in Zimbabwe and are playing out in SA. It didn't end well for the White liberals, either. The gods of the copybook headings will have their due.

The Right just wants to try to turn back the clock on a lot of things, and go 'I just want to grill', as if that's a 'plan'. And the neo-cons just want forever wars and corporate donations to keep coming in from Country Club Republicans who are effectively just neo-libs that don't like abortion.

Not totally sure how you're supposed to be different, tbh?

It's getting to the point I feel like trying to moderate the Dems has a better ROI than continuing to support the Right in futile fights.

You do you. Not sure why the left would listen to you, though.

 

[Bacle]

Agree with this to a certain extent- the left is at least capable of recognizing and supporting policies that further their own political power. But OTOH, I think a lot of it is fundamentally built on sand. The liberal understanding of the world is built on certain facts, and certain assumptions about human nature, that aren't true. "Current realities" is often a fancy way of saying the latest fad, and tactics that adapt to the latest fad while ignoring actual, unchanging reality might enjoy some success but are ultimately doomed. We saw how these sorts of experiments with farming played out in Zimbabwe and are playing out in SA. It didn't end well for the White liberals, either. The gods of the copybook headings will have their due.

You assume a 'cycles of history' view that ignores things like nukes, the internet, and space travel, as well as an international order that is very vested in those realities you consider to be made of sand.

This is a trend that I see in a lot of conservatives; they keep thinking looking to the past will give them some insight or tactic to beat the Left. This, despite the fact the Left knows history too, knows the tactics the Right wishes to use, and has a lot of them pre-countered already.

Not totally sure how you're supposed to be different, tbh?

Simple, I also am pro-2nd Amendment and anti-corporate power.

Neo-cons and neo-libs want the money of monopolies and worship the 'free market; I want to go Teddy Roosevelt on them and create a 'fair market'.

You do you. Not sure why the left would listen to you, though.

Well, they might not, but at least they have the power to get shit done and the ability to plan long term.

Also, if I point out I stopped supporting the Right partly because an increasing loud part of them want to refight the same-sex marriage battle, and halt immigration all together...I might not be welcomed back with open arms, but I won't be lined up against the metaphorical wall, either.

 

[LindyAF]

You assume a 'cycles of history' view that ignores things like nukes, the internet, and space travel, as well as an international order that is very vested in those realities you consider to be made of sand.

Being invested in something made of sand and wishful thinking is an interesting strength. The internet, is anything, hurts neoliberalism by taking the distribution of information out of its hands. Space travel is and will be increasingly hamstrung by "our greatest strength." At this point I consider it fairly unlikely that the US is capable of landing another person on the moon. Guess we'll see come 2024.

Simple, I also am pro-2nd Amendment and anti-corporate power.

Neo-cons and neo-libs want the money of monopolies and worship the 'free market; I want to go Teddy Roosevelt on them and create a 'fair market'.

Country club republicans are usually at least pro fudd guns. Neo-libs are not openly pro-corporate, either, only the most ghoulish neocons are, really.

Well, they might not, but at least they have the power to get shit done and the ability to plan long term.

Also, if I point out I stopped supporting the Right partly because an increasing loud part of them want to refight the same-sex marriage battle, and halt immigration all together...I might not be welcomed back with open arms, but I won't be lined up against the metaphorical wall, either.

Oh yeah, if you have the connections, you'd have at least a decent shot of getting a "I'm an Ex-Trump supporter" or a "leaving the Right" thing in HuffPo or Vice or something along those lines. Maybe Salon, idk. The left is certainly willing to give anyone Strange New Respect (tm) when siding with them. But they wouldn't listen to you either on pro-2A, pro-life, actually meaningfully attacking corporations that support them, or anything else. One of the reasons the left is more successful is that they are better at ignoring useless "classical liberals" calls for moderation and actually delivering value to their supporters.

 

[Bacle]

Being invested in something made of sand and wishful thinking is an interesting strength. The internet, is anything, hurts neoliberalism by taking the distribution of information out of its hands. Space travel is and will be increasingly hamstrung by "our greatest strength." At this point I consider it fairly unlikely that the US is capable of landing another person on the moon. Guess we'll see come 2024.

Except you are the one claiming their reality is made of sand, when frankly they have the ability to make that 'sand' into concrete, or even sandstone, because of the power they wield and the long term planning they are capable of.

Country club republicans are usually at least pro fudd guns. Neo-libs are not openly pro-corporate, either, only the most ghoulish neocons are, really.

'Pro-gun' neo-cons have been effectively useless in that regard, and it's more of another case of them paying it lip service to get elected.

As for neo-libs not being pro-corporate, you are confusing rad-libs and neo-libs.

Oh yeah, if you have the connections, you'd have at least a decent shot of getting a "I'm an Ex-Trump supporter" or a "leaving the Right" thing in HuffPo or Vice or something along those lines. Maybe Salon, idk. The left is certainly willing to give anyone Strange New Respect (tm) when siding with them. But they wouldn't listen to you either on pro-2A, pro-life, actually meaningfully attacking corporations that support them, or anything else. One of the reasons the left is more successful is that they are better at ignoring useless "classical liberals" calls for moderation and actually delivering value to their supporters.

Pro-2A is as simple as pointing out gays with guns don't get bashed nearly as much, while pro-life has an in with the 'Sanger created PP to use eugenics on minorities'. Might not work great, but is still valid.

Also, the Left actually do give a shit about the environment, even if not all of them go about it in effective ways, and trying to get the Right to take environmental issues seriously is like pulling teeth.

As well, you are right about 'connections'; if I wanted to, it would not be that hard for me to get meetings with the Dem reps or some media groups from CO, given my mother worked for a few of them back in the day.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

Also, if I point out I stopped supporting the Right partly because an increasing loud part of them want to refight the same-sex marriage battle, and halt immigration all together...I might not be welcomed back with open arms, but I won't be lined up against the metaphorical wall, either.

You condemn the Right in one sentence for not engaging in long term planning and criticize them for wanting to ban all immigration in the next? Immigrants of all races tend to vote Democrat. I see no reason the Right shouldn't manipulate demographics to benefit themselves just like the Left had done since the sixties.

And I seriously question your priorities if you would even consider joining the Left with how crazy they've gone. I hope legal gay marriage comforts you when you get shoved into a gulag. Because you'll never be woke enough for them.

 

[Bacle]

You condemn the Right in one sentence for not engaging in long term planning and criticize them for wanting to ban all immigration in the next? Immigrants of all races tend to vote Democrat. I see no reason the Right shouldn't manipulate demographics to benefit themselves just like the Left had done since the sixties.

And I seriously question your priorities if you would even consider joining the Left with how crazy they've gone. I hope legal gay marriage comforts you when you get shoved into a gulag. Because you'll never be woke enough for them.

The Dems have gone nuts, but you have no idea how much idiots trying to refight the same-sex marriage battle means to them, or how much total immigration shutdown would mean to them, either.

Because right now, the choices seem to be either try to moderate the Dems, or trying to keep the GOP politically effective when it's the political equivalent of trying to argue for, and make the case that, Iowa class battleships are effective combatants in a modern war.

 

[LindyAF]

Gun rights is the single area the right has had the most victories on in the recent past. I'd agree that it isn't to the credit of neocons, but I'm not confident that you actually distinguish between neocons and other elements of the right you dislike.

Pro-2A is as simple as pointing out gays with guns don't get bashed nearly as much, while pro-life has an in with the 'Sanger created PP to use eugenics on minorities'.

😂😂😂

Anyway, obviously I don't know what IRL activism you do or what causes you financially or materially support, so I might be wrong, but I rather suspect you being "on the right" is not a net positive to the right. So 👋

 

[Arch Dornan]

Taxes.

 

[Bacle]

Gun rights is the single area the right has had the most victories on in the recent past. I'd agree that it isn't to the credit of neocons, but I'm not confident that you actually distinguish between neocons and other elements of the right you dislike.

Oh, I dislike both neo-cons and paleo-cons rather equally, and libertarian-conservatives like Rand Paul are far more sane than most of the political Right.

I really mostly want a Right with more Rand Paul's, and fewer Romney's or Lauren Witzke's.

😂😂😂

Anyway, obviously I don't know what IRL activism you do or what causes you financially or materially support, so I might be wrong, but I rather suspect you being "on the right" is not a net positive to the right. So 👋

Well, I did donate a bit more than $2500 to Trump's campaign, as well as a few hundred each to some local GOP races, so...

But hey, if you want to make people like me, ex-Dems willing to materially support the GOP and try to bring other moderate Dems over, feel we have a better chance of actually accomplishing shit by trying to moderate the Dems, then keep on insisting the GOP keep trying the same tactics that have failed before or that the Dems can easily counter.

 

[Arlos]

Taxes.

Well, that’s vile.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Well, that’s vile.

Those getting the pork I doubt will have to pay it back.

Migrants deported from US back to Mexico say Biden didn’t keep promise

Illegal immigrants deported from the United States back to Mexico under a Trump-era policy are saying that they thought President Biden would let them stay in America.

nypost.com

They expect a welcome when shits bad?

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

Oh, I dislike both neo-cons and paleo-cons rather equally, and libertarian-conservatives like Rand Paul are far more sane than most of the political Right.

I really mostly want a Right with more Rand Paul's, and fewer Romney's or Lauren Witzke's.

How about DeSantis? He's been getting a lot of support lately. If he was made nominee would you and other moderates be willing to support him?

 

[Arlos]

Well, if he’s planning to raise taxes, I can see why he’s keeping the National guard close by, considering the last time there was a major taxe hikes in a western nation, the yellow vests happened....