United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[The Whispering Monk]

@Megadeath
What really worries me is that I haven't seen much in the way of action on this EXCEPT under Trump.

Hell, I was directly ordered by my CO's NOT to gather intelligence on Human Trafficking while I was in the FYROM. I don't think they were happy about it, but they weren't in charge.

 

[Megadeath]

@Megadeath
What really worries me is that I haven't seen much in the way of action on this EXCEPT under Trump.

Hell, I was directly ordered by my CO's NOT to gather intelligence on Human Trafficking while I was in the FYROM. I don't think they were happy about it, but they weren't in charge.

Surely that's the kind of thing you ought to whistleblow or go to the media with? It sounds abhorrent.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Not very familiar, but aren't they and their founder under criminal investigation? They're also not really related to the trump administration.

I have not heard about any sort of legal action, but, to be honest, they are a private organization that rescues women and children of all nationalities from lots of different countries. In almost all cases, none of those rescued were brought there legally. I doubt they got legal papers for them leaving.

And I'm OK with that. Hell, watch the video, in that story the Trump admin supplies the rescued women with Visas.

EDIT: there was apparently a news article in 2020 from Utah about an investigation. Nothing I've seen since indicates any sort of indictment or investigation pending against O.U.R.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Surely that's the kind of thing you ought to whistleblow or go to the media with? It sounds abhorrent.

Foreign country under NATO/UN auspices for the mission. We had our mission, dealing with the smuggling was not part of our orders. We'd report what we heard, but were not allowed to task assets to pursue those leads...despite how easy it would have been.

 

[Bacle]

The egomaniac trump decided to keep quiet about something so objectively good, and ignored a potential PR win even the most jaded oppositional media couldn't spin against him, and trump did this because he was so sensitive to other people's feelings?

Yes, because he's not the callous monster the Left has made him out to be.

What does that have to do with the issue we're actually talking about? Are you trying to suggest that trump told them to close the loophole, they said no, and that was the end of that?

I'm saying that you make it sound like Trump could snap his fingers and just fix issues with an entrenched and resistant bureaucratic class that controls most fed agencies, when that is demonstrably not the case and when said agencies often undermined Trump instead of acting on his polices.

It's almost like you didn't actually read his post except to quote-mine:

Actually I did, I just did not the way he probably wanted me to.

@Megadeath
What really worries me is that I haven't seen much in the way of action on this EXCEPT under Trump.

Hell, I was directly ordered by my CO's NOT to gather intelligence on Human Trafficking while I was in the FYROM. I don't think they were happy about it, but they weren't in charge.

Foreign country under NATO/UN auspices for the mission. We had our mission, dealing with the smuggling was not part of our orders. We'd report what we heard, but were not allowed to task assets to pursue those leads...despite how easy it would have been.

What the actual fuck...

 

[Airedale260]

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So, to clarify for both of you, human trafficking has long been a major priority for ICE and HSI in particular. It's not that it gets ignored, but rather that it's a constant fight and news generally isn't reported on it because it's so horrifically common as to be background noise, the fact that the victims tend to be minorities, and the fact that it's as much a problem inside the U.S. with Americans being trafficked.

Now, in fairness to Trump, his allowing ICE and CBP to do more actually did crack down on both the crossings AND getting kids away from the traffickers. But it wasn't done simply out of the goodness of his heart; it was really a bonus of his stepping up border enforcement.

@Megadeath
What really worries me is that I haven't seen much in the way of action on this EXCEPT under Trump.

Hell, I was directly ordered by my CO's NOT to gather intelligence on Human Trafficking while I was in the FYROM. I don't think they were happy about it, but they weren't in charge.

Actually that's because of-

Foreign country under NATO/UN auspices for the mission. We had our mission, dealing with the smuggling was not part of our orders. We'd report what we heard, but were not allowed to task assets to pursue those leads...despite how easy it would have been.

-it being under the UN. Ninja'd.

Anyway...yeah, sadly UN peacekeepers are reliably shit when it comes to human trafficking. Same crap went down in Bosnia during the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s (look up Brcko's 'Arizona Market but do it on an empty stomach)...it was REALLY bad. The locals don't really care because they're usually on the take to look the other way.

The U.S. military, for all its faults, is at least VERY strict about human trafficking and comes down HARD on anyone involved. Problem is whether their ROE will allow it, especially in a foreign country.

As for the T visas...I do remember that being a thing but it's less a resistant bureaucracy as a slow one (take it from someone who works in one in the private sector -getting things moving, even under a direct order from the chief executive, is NOT a quick process. Because you need to have the process for issuing them, you need to coordinate with other teams/departments/agencies, you need to have the resources and the personnel to implement the change, and there needs to be effective communication.

It's not "the bureaucracy undermining Trump" in this case -especially in an issue where there is literally no reason to do so give the wide bipartisan support anti-human trafficking initiatives have among politicians and everyone else, but just the fact that the federal government takes forever to implement anything.

Also please excuse the weird grids. I'm on my phone and they appeared, and my attempts to remove them have failed.

 

[Bacle]

So, to clarify for both of you, human trafficking has long been a major priority for ICE and HSI in particular. It's not that it gets ignored, but rather that it's a constant fight and news generally isn't reported on it because it's so horrifically common as to be background noise, the fact that the victims tend to be minorities, and the fact that it's as much a problem inside the U.S. with Americans being trafficked.

Now, in fairness to Trump, his allowing ICE and CBP to do more actually did crack down on both the crossings AND getting kids away from the traffickers. But it wasn't done simply out of the goodness of his heart; it was really a bonus of his stepping up border enforcement.



Actually that's because of-



-it being under the UN. Ninja'd.

Anyway...yeah, sadly UN peacekeepers are reliably shit when it comes to human trafficking. Same crap went down in Bosnia during the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s (look up Brcko's 'Arizona Market but do it on an empty stomach)...it was REALLY bad. The locals don't really care because they're usually on the take to look the other way.

The U.S. military, for all its faults, is at least VERY strict about human trafficking and comes down HARD on anyone involved. Problem is whether their ROE will allow it, especially in a foreign country.

As for the T visas...I do remember that being a thing but it's less a resistant bureaucracy as a slow one (take it from someone who works in one in the private sector -getting things moving, even under a direct order from the chief executive, is NOT a quick process. Because you need to have the process for issuing them, you need to coordinate with other teams/departments/agencies, you need to have the resources and the personnel to implement the change, and there needs to be effective communication.

It's not "the bureaucracy undermining Trump" in this case -especially in an issue where there is literally no reason to do so give the wide bipartisan support anti-human trafficking initiatives have among politicians and everyone else, but just the fact that the federal government takes forever to implement anything.

Also please excuse the weird grids. I'm on my phone and they appeared, and my attempts to remove them have failed.

Fair enough.

I just remember seeing lots and lots of stories of kids being rescued from sex slavery while Trump was in office, particularly after Epstein was jailed/killed and Maxwell became the focus.

I think Maxwell likely turned state's evidence and provided info on sex trafficking rings that either were too elusive to nab before, or too well connected to get at easily.

 

[Bassoe]

I highly doubt it. We seem to be in a national death spiral without a way to get out. Given how the wealthy have their bolt-holes abroad they'll more likely flee and leave us to our fate:

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Even in victory the globalists cannot stop digging a hole for themselves. Would it have really been so hard just to stand aside and let the reformists do their work? You can still make money hand over fist in a system with sane immigration policy and is protectionist towards its own businesses.

They want empire but don't want to pay for it, respect the people who die for it, be held to an ethical standard, or have an honest conversation of what empire would mean. The empire they want will probably happen but once its created they will be completely unworthy of controlling it and will be purged.

My money is that the traditionalists they despise who didn't want the empire in the first place get stuck actually running the damned thing.

The thing about the whole 'American Empire' bit is that we aren't an empire, and most citizen's don't want us to be one, even if international players treat us as one often times.

That said, if we were to truly throw off the Constitution, to embrace a more...'traditional' type of power structure/oligarchy/nobility, to 'Because We Can' becoming the watchwork of American politics on the domestic an international stage, to harness the abyss instead of gazing at it...I do not think anyone truly wants to see what would cause that to happen, or what it would result in.

This generations of Americans do not really want an empire, but if someone or some group force us to truly take the mantle of an empire, they don't get to complain later on when shit gets ugly and the US is no longer so 'nice' or concerned about PR.

The final irony will be when the American Empire rises out of its bloody civil war and immediately proves it learned nothing by invading New Zealand to capture a bunch of fugitives who had inflicted cataclysmic attacks upon it.

Malthus's time didn't have a space program.

'Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.' and 'So Say We All' are humanities likely futures, if Yellowstone or an asteroid doesn't wipe us out first.

Neither does our time, at least not a proper one. Nor will we, when the right wing is more concerned with cutting budgets of everything but the military-industry complex and politician salaries and the left with crab-bucketing. The status quo knows that space colonization would be the end of their system. Why did you think despite the absolutely ridiculous profitability-vs-startup-costs ratio of asteroid mining, we're only seeing the Musks and Bezoss of the world beginning to throw funding at private spaceflight now rather than as soon as it became theoretically possible? Because the technology to get there and acquire useful resources was one thing, but the computing technology to do so with entirely automated labor rather than with human astronauts was another. Humans colonists could just say "we're nationalizing all the infrastructure you paid for, having expected us and our descendants to be perpetually indebted to you for in the name of our new politically independent space nation, so you've got no way to recoup your investment in building it in the first place. Boycott us? How, launch costs vs local materials mean we don't import from you in the first place. Regime Change us in favor of your cronies who'll sell out our natural resources in your currency? We possess the technology and infrastructure for moving large masses around in space as a prerequisite for getting here in the first place and can't help but noticing that you live at the bottom of a gravity well, or in other words, we've got a MAD deterrence."

 

[49ersfootball]

The Biden Administration is done. Shit is getting worst on the Ground in Afghanistan. Not a single member of that Administration is gonna be left in place in a months time. This is a type of situation you can't PR spin your way out of. And no media organization can save them.

Let's not forget about Biden all but letting hundreds of Americans & Afghan allies on their own to die.

The Dems need to get WIPED OUT in 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028...

 

[sillygoose]

You know, I could dig up oodles of proof supporting this, but you seem to have your mind pretty set on this, so I find myself doubting anything I could show you would persuade you. Instead, I'll simply ask directly:

What evidence would you require to believe that mankind, at large, is materially doing better than it was, say, 100 years ago?

You're changing the goal post. I responded to the part about the lower classes, not the average. So adjusting for inflation/PPP is the person in the global bottom 50% really materially better off from 50 years ago?

 

[Megadeath]

You're changing the goal post. I responded to the part about the lower classes, not the average. So adjusting for inflation/PPP is the person in the global bottom 50% really materially better off from 50 years ago?

Yes. Less military conflict, better access to medicine even among dirt poor third world residents, and vastly greater access to internet and other learning tools (even as crappy as that remains) meaning far more opportunity for improving their own condition. Greater mobility than ever before between places of true suffering, and lands of opportunity. Last but not least, you're way more likely to be adopted and plucked from impoverishment by Angelina Jolie now than in the 70s.

By what metric do you think things are worse?

 

[Zachowon]

Foreign country under NATO/UN auspices for the mission. We had our mission, dealing with the smuggling was not part of our orders. We'd report what we heard, but were not allowed to task assets to pursue those leads...despite how easy it would have been.

Because those assets are there to be used for a certain thing, and unless given instruction from the higher command, retasking is an issue, even if it is easy. The person in charge has full discretion in that regar.d
Similair for the Army MI

 

[sillygoose]

Yes. Less military conflict, better access to medicine even among dirt poor third world residents, and vastly greater access to internet and other learning tools (even as crappy as that remains) meaning far more opportunity for improving their own condition. Greater mobility than ever before between places of true suffering, and lands of opportunity. Last but not least, you're way more likely to be adopted and plucked from impoverishment by Angelina Jolie now than in the 70s.

By what metric do you think things are worse?

Do you have a source that demonstrates that or is that just your gut feeling?
I didn't say things were necessarily worse on average, just little to no better due to the collapsing environment in many places and wages being stagnant or dropping due to increased labor competition from more people and more automation. As to the Jolie thing...there are more kids relative to adoptions even if the raw number of international adoptions has been going up.

 

[LordsFire]

You're changing the goal post. I responded to the part about the lower classes, not the average. So adjusting for inflation/PPP is the person in the global bottom 50% really materially better off from 50 years ago?

I'm not changing the goal posts. I'm asking you to clearly establish what your goal-posts are. If you want to be picky about it, I'll say 'What evidence would you consider proof that the bottom 50% of the world at large, is doing better than they were 100 years ago?'

 

[Airedale260]

Fair enough.

I just remember seeing lots and lots of stories of kids being rescued from sex slavery while Trump was in office, particularly after Epstein was jailed/killed and Maxwell became the focus.

I think Maxwell likely turned state's evidence and provided info on sex trafficking rings that either were too elusive to nab before, or too well connected to get at easily.

It either may have been a slow news cycle, or trying to give someone (Trump, DHS, some combo thereof) favorable coverage, it was January (which is National Anti-Trafficking Month in the U.S.) or some combo of all of the above.

Epstein had his own thing going on but it wasn't like he was participating in any sort of scene like in "Taken." The most organization you're going to see is something like Asian Massage Parlors or Russian/East European Massage Parlors. More often it's street gang members or independent pimps doing their own thing. It's still super fucked up, but Epstein and Maxwell wouldn't have any dirt on them.

Don't get me wrong, successful anti-trafficking campaigns are ALWAYS a good thing, and I for one much preferred Trump's approach to border security than Biden's (insofar as he even has one...) but it's not some sort of Giant Conspiracy. It's really that there are simply a much larger number of evil bastards than we care to admit in this world.

Plus IIRC this was also the time FOSTA/SESTA were being debated in Congress, and given that they were in reaction to sex trafficking on Backpage.com I would bet that was another reason for the uptick.

 

[Bacle]

It either may have been a slow news cycle, or trying to give someone (Trump, DHS, some combo thereof) favorable coverage, it was January (which is National Anti-Trafficking Month in the U.S.) or some combo of all of the above.

Epstein had his own thing going on but it wasn't like he was participating in any sort of scene like in "Taken." The most organization you're going to see is something like Asian Massage Parlors or Russian/East European Massage Parlors. More often it's street gang members or independent pimps doing their own thing. It's still super fucked up, but Epstein and Maxwell wouldn't have any dirt on them.

Don't get me wrong, successful anti-trafficking campaigns are ALWAYS a good thing, and I for one much preferred Trump's approach to border security than Biden's (insofar as he even has one...) but it's not some sort of Giant Conspiracy. It's really that there are simply a much larger number of evil bastards than we care to admit in this world.

Plus IIRC this was also the time FOSTA/SESTA were being debated in Congress, and given that they were in reaction to sex trafficking on Backpage.com I would bet that was another reason for the uptick.

I remember seeing most of the reports via small outlets on Twitter, like Breaking911, not major news groups.

And from what Maxwell has said, it does seem like Epstein may have done some 'Taken' type shit, but was protected by his pals in DC for a long time.

Though what you said about 'Massage Parlors'...I wish I could say I was surprised they are often fronts for prostitution rings. I see semi-legit looking massage parlors all over the place in Denver, and I expect a lot of the 'independent ones' are probably fronts.

 

[sillygoose]

I'm not changing the goal posts. I'm asking you to clearly establish what your goal-posts are. If you want to be picky about it, I'll say 'What evidence would you consider proof that the bottom 50% of the world at large, is doing better than they were 100 years ago?'

I already have and just restated exactly what it was. You misstated what I had said previously.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Sailor.X]

Whelp got to post this here.





The End is near.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

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