United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[JagerIV]

So, yeah. 90% will keep their heads down and try not to cause trouble. They'll play to the people in power, which is the democrats. The military will not survive as any sort of counterweight to democratic power.

What exactly are we disagreeing with? You've said they basically have all the power they need, and weve.expained they only need to purge 10-20 people to get the desired effect and relpacing a.couple core people to get their ideology imbedded.

Your greatest argument seems to be the democrats wouldn't dare so harm morale and effective as of the military, when the xemocrats have never shown any great concern over the effectiveness of a government agency to carry out its stated function, compared to maintaining a beuracry as a source of patronage and coercion.

Many statesmen in the past, when face.with the choice of an effective military, vs a loyal nonthreatening military, chose loyalty over effectiveness.

I think I just have a far worse opionion of our enemies than you do. You seem to trust them to be good intentioned and, well, not evil. The military already has fairly low effectiveness to achieve many practical aims. Whats a little more ineffectiveness that cant be made up with more drones and smart bombs?

That seemed to be the Obama philosophy to the military: drone strikes do the heavy lifting, so why not use the military infantry as a social justice experiment and push more woman into more rolls, and push more and more social justice?

What is the value of an effective army thats not loyal to the party?

 

[Zachowon]

So, yeah. 90% will keep their heads down and try not to cause trouble. They'll play to the people in power, which is the democrats. The military will not survive as any sort of counterweight to democratic power.

What exactly are we disagreeing with? You've said they basically have all the power they need, and weve.expained they only need to purge 10-20 people to get the desired effect and relpacing a.couple core people to get their ideology imbedded.

Your greatest argument seems to be the democrats wouldn't dare so harm morale and effective as of the military, when the xemocrats have never shown any great concern over the effectiveness of a government agency to carry out its stated function, compared to maintaining a beuracry as a source of patronage and coercion.

Many statesmen in the past, when face.with the choice of an effective military, vs a loyal nonthreatening military, chose loyalty over effectiveness.

I think I just have a far worse opionion of our enemies than you do. You seem to trust them to be good intentioned and, well, not evil. The military already has fairly low effectiveness to achieve many practical aims. Whats a little more ineffectiveness that cant be made up with more drones and smart bombs?

That seemed to be the Obama philosophy to the military: drone strikes do the heavy lifting, so why not use the military infantry as a social justice experiment and push more woman into more rolls, and push more and more social justice?

What is the value of an effective army thats not loyal to the party?

What I am saying is they won't even purge ten percent to 20.
Because that would be suicide for anything they give, especially since JAG and IG are both neutral parties that would bring an end to political tampering.

One should also know that, the whole argument was a purge of the military of all Trump supporters.
Which they won't and can't do

Also, drone warfare has always bee huge. Thing is, Ground forces ar entered to assure nothing can shoot down the drones.

Obama just took advantage of us bring in an area with not so high artillery.

You should also know, the mikitary is switching thier focus from COIN to Force in Force and have since before Trump got in office. Because we know we arnt ready for one.
So Drone warfare is becoming a backstop, and preparing for China. Iran and Russia are number one priorities

Look, let's just agree to disagree and see how things go.

 

[JagerIV]

I should clarify I did not mean 10 to 20 %, but 10 to 20 indeviduals. Enough to show they could destroy anyone they wanted at will, and thus encourage most to keep their heads down, the stong willed to see the writing on the wall and bow out, and the conformable to conform.

I also have doubts were preparing for force on force. I think theyre gonna push hard for domestic counterinsurgency.

I guess its not inevitable, but given previous trend lines, I dont see the democrats not getting what they want and bulldozing everything in their way. I guess it depends how focused they stay on it. 4 years of pressure will change the military to be more to their liking. If focus on the military wanes a month from now, and this stand down isnt part one of a ten year plan, it wont change as much, though it will probably be equally useless to the right wing cause either way.

I think its fairly certain the military will not be any sort pf useful political tool for the right. The question is just usefully can the democrats wield the military as a political tool to rewars trends and punish enemies.

Would you say thats the core of the disagreement, not that the democrats dont want to purge the military of any ideological enemies, nor that they could do so if they commited enough resources to it, but simply its not going to be a high enough priority to purge republicanism from the military to warrant the necessary effort and political capital to do it?

 

[Zachowon]

I should clarify I did not mean 10 to 20 %, but 10 to 20 indeviduals. Enough to show they could destroy anyone they wanted at will, and thus encourage most to keep their heads down, the stong willed to see the writing on the wall and bow out, and the conformable to conform.

I also have doubts were preparing for force on force. I think theyre gonna push hard for domestic counterinsurgency.

I guess its not inevitable, but given previous trend lines, I dont see the democrats not getting what they want and bulldozing everything in their way. I guess it depends how focused they stay on it. 4 years of pressure will change the military to be more to their liking. If focus on the military wanes a month from now, and this stand down isnt part one of a ten year plan, it wont change as much, though it will probably be equally useless to the right wing cause either way.

I think its fairly certain the military will not be any sort pf useful political tool for the right. The question is just usefully can the democrats wield the military as a political tool to rewars trends and punish enemies.

Would you say thats the core of the disagreement, not that the democrats dont want to purge the military of any ideological enemies, nor that they could do so if they commited enough resources to it, but simply its not going to be a high enough priority to purge republicanism from the military to warrant the necessary effort and political capital to do it?

Oh no, they are going for force on force. They literally have changed our training in the school house and everything.

Look, you arnt active duty mikitary and especially not intel, so I can understand why you think they would go for domestic counterinsurgency but, we are not able to do that, and that will get push back from every level. Morale is a thing.
We are preparing for a war that we expect to come within the next 5 to 10 years.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

First step in the purge of armed forces

It looks like it's going to be done department by department






Antifa and BLM are okay though.

I am surprised MAGA hats aren't on that list. But then again even the dems must realize they have limits they can push.

 

[JagerIV]

So were planning for the death of the nation in the next 5 to 10 years?

 

[Zachowon]

So were planning for the death of the nation in the next 5 to 10 years?

We are planning for war with a peer nation

I am surprised MAGA hats aren't on that list. But then again even the dems must realize they have limits they can push.

They can't force political bias.
Hell, they are already pushing limits with three religious things on there

 

[Captain X]

Another aspect of this that has me concerned is that they are pushing to have the military view people who post Pepe and boogaloo memes and the like as being "extremists," which when combined with the renewed rhetoric from DHS about "domestic right-wing terrorism" and Obama's NDAA that declared the US to be a "terrorism battleground" (or something to that effect) and allows anyone declared a terrorist to be detained without trail indefinately, is more than a little concerning.

 

[Terthna]

We are planning for war with a peer nation

If it's China, I've got some bad news for you; the establishment isn't going to let you win that fight, if they let you have one at all. At best, you're looking at another Vietnam.

 

[Zachowon]

If it's China, I've got some bad news for you; the establishment isn't going to let you win that fight, if they let you have one at all. At best, you're looking at another Vietnam.

You don't understand how hated China is by the US Military, and how much Congress hates China outside a few.

 

[Captain X]

Let's see some action from them, then. So much of the government seems to have been compromised, it's a little hard to believe it's just a few people. So until I see something, I'm just going to go right on assuming the worst.

 

[Zachowon]

Let's see some action from them, then. So much of the government seems to have been compromised, it's a little hard to believe it's just a few people. So until I see something, I'm just going to go right on assuming the worst.

Besides the fact all these things involving how none of the things involving China have gone through Congress AFAIK

 

[Cherico]

Another aspect of this that has me concerned is that they are pushing to have the military view people who post Pepe and boogaloo memes and the like as being "extremists," which when combined with the renewed rhetoric from DHS about "domestic right-wing terrorism" and Obama's NDAA that declared the US to be a "terrorism battleground" (or something to that effect) and allows anyone declared a terrorist to be detained without trail indefinately, is more than a little concerning.

How many times in your life has the left accused others of something they are most defiantly guilty of?

 

[PsihoKekec]

I am surprised MAGA hats aren't on that list.

So far, but they are only getting started.

You don't understand how hated China is by the US Military, and how much Congress hates China outside a few.

It wouldn't be the first time in history that a nation crippled their own military over political bullshit on the eve of a large conflict.

 

[Zachowon]

So far, but they are only getting started.


It wouldn't be the first time in history that a nation crippled their own military over political bullshit on the eve of a large conflict.

No, but the US military is not going to let that happen this day and age.

 

[PsihoKekec]

If you followed the press releases, the US military leadership is quite on board with this. Diversity is strength and everything that threatens it, like those super duper evil Pepe racist must be removed from the ranks with extreme prejudice. Believe me, you will see it differently when you grow out of your motardation phase.

 

[Zachowon]

If you followed the press releases, the US military leadership is quite on board with this. Diversity is strength and everything that threatens it, like those super duper evil Pepe racist must be removed from the ranks with extreme prejudice. Believe me, you will see it differently when you grow out of your motardation phase.

Or...I look at from my own experience within the military.
The Army has bans on all sorts of stuff that we cant have or show. Why is this any different?

 

[Captain X]

Or...I look at from my own experience within the military.
The Army has bans on all sorts of stuff that we cant have or show. Why is this any different?

Because it's based on fiction. Neither Pepe nor the "okay" sign are racist, just as an example. That is just an example of partisans trying to limit their political enemies' ability to speak, or to even be discussed, really. Like something out of "Nineteen Eighty-Four."

 

[Zachowon]

Because it's based on fiction. Neither Pepe nor the "okay" sign are racist, just as an example. That is just an example of partisans trying to limit their political enemies' ability to speak, or to even be discussed, really. Like something out of "Nineteen Eighty-Four."

There has been a ban on the "OK" sign for awhile because of media outrage, so this just makes having paraphanlia o it bad.
And no one uses Pepe that I have met in the Army so far, so I doubt it will change anything

 

[Captain X]

The point still stands.