CarlManvers2019
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Guy’s busy working on Elden Ring now
Guy’s busy working on Elden Ring now
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Honestly I expect if Bran is king Westeros will so fucked up there won’t be any opposition for a thousand years or more.
Opposition to him?
I agree, so long as he remains alive...And his successors share his ambitions or something..Yeah.
Or do you mean an all seeing being like that would intergenerationally cripple free will?
CarlManvers2019
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I think Bran would need to be able to supercharge his warging abilities to do so?
Otherwise, he’s essentially a master manipulator/spymaster, who will have a YUGE spy network and yet still be able to die to blades
And if he dies to a blade, odds are its because he let it happen
His “successor” will likely NOT be in a high public position and instead be a sort of secret shadow overlord or something
Most people probably won’t decide to go that far Beyond-The-Wall to find out whom the real master of everything is
Assuming he went beyond the wall, as opposed to simply becoming the next Master of Whispers or someshit...Granted, sans a wyrwood tree, he'd probably be unable to possess people.
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I mean in Dream of Spring, Westeros will be a fucked up post apocalyptic hellscape.
Who is left to oppose the avatar of the old gods and heir of Brynden Rivers?
CarlManvers2019
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I don’t think the Children of the Forest were ever the masters of the Weirwood
Otherwise they would never have lost to the First Men
They probably weren't....the impression I get is that something primordial called Westeros home before anything else did. Including the trees themselves
To be honest that wouldn't be an issue in my fic since HBO neutered them but that's fairly true for the Novels and an issue for anyone who wants to tackle it from the novel end of things.
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CarlManvers2019
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Where do all their roots go down to and connect?
I think if you dig even deeper you’ll connect to something that exists in the past/present/future
CarlManvers2019
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Currently reading John Ringo’s Troy Rising
And now remembering Poul Anderson’s High Crusade and David Drake’s Ranks of Bronze
A “starport” appears in Westeros to establish “trade” right after the Greyjoy Rebellion
Now Robert and the rest of the Lords of Westeros have to find a way to maintain relevancy and power and find a way to gain economic power and some products they can actually trade for stuff from the aliens who come by occasion
Said “starport” was made by an eldritch alien race of “executives”
Meanwhile the Others and the Deep Ones pop up to start trading
This makes it so that the Seven Kingdoms have to compete and Tyrion Lannister gets his hands on a “For Dummies” File
Also it turns out that what the aliens REALLY want is a race of warriors and somehow it tirns out humans are said race, even though neither knew it
And now remembering Poul Anderson’s High Crusade and David Drake’s Ranks of Bronze
A “starport” appears in Westeros to establish “trade” right after the Greyjoy Rebellion
Now Robert and the rest of the Lords of Westeros have to find a way to maintain relevancy and power and find a way to gain economic power and some products they can actually trade for stuff from the aliens who come by occasion
Said “starport” was made by an eldritch alien race of “executives”
Meanwhile the Others and the Deep Ones pop up to start trading
This makes it so that the Seven Kingdoms have to compete and Tyrion Lannister gets his hands on a “For Dummies” File
Also it turns out that what the aliens REALLY want is a race of warriors and somehow it tirns out humans are said race, even though neither knew it
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This has got a lot of good information.
With regards to the ending of the show, and some of the Holy Shit moments.
Stannis burning Shireen is pretty much confirmed unabashedly. Not Mel or Selyse doing it.
Bran being King is also pretty much a done deal.
Some of the other show events are debatable.
CarlManvers2019
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Hopefully GRRM makes the buildup to those moments and the consequences better written
CarlManvers2019
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What makes it so easy for each Kingdoms’ population to bounce back and for each to startup its individual small industries again quick?
I mean most of its rural population looks to be slaughtered VERY quickly and admittedly their farms from what I can tell are pretty primitive and don’t make use of many tools that’d require less direct physical human contact
And it seems to me that the majority of the smallfolk are left to fend for themselves to be slaughtered
Also, I’m frankly not sure how Gregor Clegane’s the Mountain’s men, Ramsay’s Bastard Boys and Vargo Hoat & his Bloody Mummers are considered worse than the average sacking, given that even regular Smallfolk quickly turn to an instinctive rape, murder, loot and torture
Is it that even outside of wartime, they’re 300% likely to still do that to local settlements?
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ASOIAF is medieval, but it’s only fair to say it has a very different history from medieval Europe.
The faith is similar to Christianity but it isn’t Christianity.
The faith is similar to Christianity but it isn’t Christianity.
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Continuing so as not to derail the Vs. about Vlad Tepes...
You might notice Highgarden is on the Mander river near where it empties into the ocean... on the opposite side of the continent from King's Landing. So they cannot possible take barges downriver because downriver is the wrong direction to reach their target and the river doesn't go near where they want to go.
For "Unified" continent the Westerosi kill each other at a rate that would make the Mongols blush, and this isn't a recent thing given what we hear about how crazy the Targaryens were, how bad the Greyjoy rebellion was, or how violent King Robert's overthrow was. The land we see is generally sparsely inhabited and looks like poor land for growing anyway, with groups like the Hill Men acting violent towards everybody else, the Iron Men raiding the coasts, etc. On top of that they periodically have long winters that wipe out most of their populations. Nor would this larger population actually help with the fact that they have mail-order logistics to feed the troops because there's limits to how many tons of grain you can haul in a wagon across rough terrain and we see the King's Road, it's no marvel of Roman-Style engineering. Actually I think most gravel driveways are better.
I didn't recall that they rode down the river in barges, guess it's been too long. That said... that's even worse than I thought.
You might notice Highgarden is on the Mander river near where it empties into the ocean... on the opposite side of the continent from King's Landing. So they cannot possible take barges downriver because downriver is the wrong direction to reach their target and the river doesn't go near where they want to go.
For "Unified" continent the Westerosi kill each other at a rate that would make the Mongols blush, and this isn't a recent thing given what we hear about how crazy the Targaryens were, how bad the Greyjoy rebellion was, or how violent King Robert's overthrow was. The land we see is generally sparsely inhabited and looks like poor land for growing anyway, with groups like the Hill Men acting violent towards everybody else, the Iron Men raiding the coasts, etc. On top of that they periodically have long winters that wipe out most of their populations. Nor would this larger population actually help with the fact that they have mail-order logistics to feed the troops because there's limits to how many tons of grain you can haul in a wagon across rough terrain and we see the King's Road, it's no marvel of Roman-Style engineering. Actually I think most gravel driveways are better.
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“Lord Tywin turned his host at once, joined up with Matthis Rowan and Randyll Tarly near the headwaters of the Blackwater, and made a forced march to Tumbler’s Falls, where he found Mace Tyrell and two of his sons waiting with a huge host and a fleet of barges. They floated down the river, disembarked half a day’s ride from the city, and took Stannis in the rear.”
I think that’s Catelyn I of ASOS.
LF had already laid the groundwork for the Lannister-Tyrell alliance.
I think that’s Catelyn I of ASOS.
LF had already laid the groundwork for the Lannister-Tyrell alliance.
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So they marched their 100,000 man army... further than the original estimate I gave and without even the advantage of roads at all, and then started floating downriver. They still need tens of thousands of tons of supplies to do that, more than my original estimate given that now they're marching across wilderness instead of on a road and then have floaty-time as well. My original point stands.
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They left their infantry behind. The barges were already built. Tywin’s army marched after Edmure stymied him at the Stone Mill.
They probably dispensed with most of the baggage train. Given the urgency of the situation.
Bear Ribs
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So they "dispensed" with their baggage train to travel several hundred miles, apparently without eating or feeding their horses over the quarter-year that would take, given that's the baggage train's job. They then found some barges pre-built that were just laying around with nobody using them (mail order logistics ho!) which was really fortunate since the baggage train's secondary job is hauling around the carpenters and smiths they'd need to build barges in the first place. Definitely amazing luck there. And again, fits what I've said with how they seem to have modern-era style supply depots somehow since they tend to move massive armies that should need massive supplies around yet the things they need are always at hand and they rarely suffer logistics issues.
Bran as King is honestly about the stupidest of all possible ideas.
1) He is a follower of the Old Gods, and not just a follower but literally their magic using prophet. Ruling the Andals would see large scale religious war.
2) He is unmarried and brings no true alliances in the South to support his claim.
3) He has zero blood claim to the throne.
4) He has no real military experience or support of the various military forces.
Jon? He could have been King. Daenerys? She could have been Queen. Rob? He could have been King of the North, Riverlands, and (perhaps) Vale.
Bran? Not without using magic to ensure it.
Really, without Jon or Daenerys claiming the Iron Throne, it wouldn't remain intact; instead returning Westeros to a time of multiple independent kingdoms.
1) He is a follower of the Old Gods, and not just a follower but literally their magic using prophet. Ruling the Andals would see large scale religious war.
2) He is unmarried and brings no true alliances in the South to support his claim.
3) He has zero blood claim to the throne.
4) He has no real military experience or support of the various military forces.
Jon? He could have been King. Daenerys? She could have been Queen. Rob? He could have been King of the North, Riverlands, and (perhaps) Vale.
Bran? Not without using magic to ensure it.
Really, without Jon or Daenerys claiming the Iron Throne, it wouldn't remain intact; instead returning Westeros to a time of multiple independent kingdoms.