internal monologue, "Now, when should I declare my own moral and physical victory over all I survey?"
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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internal monologue, "Now, when should I declare my own moral and physical victory over all I survey?"
paulobrito
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LOL, nope. Only that the US uses and abuses lame excuses to exit conflicts that enter without any idea of why is in. And don't even convey adult excuses to exit. Just the US international 'life' in the last 70 years.Ah so you admit any excuse to abandon Ukraine would be lame.
Thus the inverse regarding supporting Ukraine is true!
Concession accepted!
We withdrawl because politicans don't want to go through with things.
Simple as.
If the US throws in the towel Europe will keep going.
paulobrito
Well-known member
Zach, Zach, stop drinking what you are drinking. Is too strong for your body/brain.
The so tired excuse that is always the guilt of the politicians is not working anymore.
The EU? They are just waiting for an excuse to re-enact good commercial relations with Russia. Just ask Germany.
Oh, wait, you can't after you sabotage the NS1/2. Shame on you. Even your vassal govs in the EU know who the culprits are.
The rest of the world? Dare to bet?
strunkenwhite
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Are they really? Sure, I believe Germany and others would love to have a stable commercial relationship with Russia, but that presupposes a Russia that is willing to have a stable commercial relationship with them. I believe that invading mutual trade partners is traditionally considered incompatible with that.
France wants to send fucking troops to Ukraine.
FRANCE!!
Germany is sending so much of thier stuff via aid.
The Baltics have given away majority of thier arms ro Ukraine.
Finland has a no limit use on thier equipment sent which is a lot.
If the EU wanted to start working with Russia again they would have been going slow.
But yet we see majority are throwing everything they have at the war.
Except your country because it has nothing to throw
paulobrito
Well-known member
The day after Germany broke from the US control, they ask Russia for commercial terms and conditions.
The only doubt is how much time Germany needs to break free. Hint - is not going to be with the actual gov.
The only doubt is how much time Germany needs to break free. Hint - is not going to be with the actual gov.
paulobrito
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France or the crazy Macron? Exist a difference between what a nation thinks and a deluded ending term 'leader' regurgitates.
The Baltics never counted. Finland switch position the moment they sense is dangerous for them.
The Baltics never counted. Finland switch position the moment they sense is dangerous for them.
I am currently stationed here in Germany.
Outside of domestic issues not caused by Russia, they seem to be doing just fine.
Poland, Denmark, Finland, France, Estonia.
All have donated so much and seem to be adamant on keeping it going.
France failed at appeasement and wants to now take a stand.
The nation's that hate Russia will not let this stop if the US backs out.
It will just hurt the EU more then anything else
paulobrito
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The nations that hate Russia are the Anglos - because they are adversaries.
Or in the words of one American president - because Russia is too strong, too rich, too big, and too independent.
The EU are just US vassals (at least the politicians), that are right now busy destroying their economies to sustain their leader ones.
Or in the words of one American president - because Russia is too strong, too rich, too big, and too independent.
The EU are just US vassals (at least the politicians), that are right now busy destroying their economies to sustain their leader ones.
strunkenwhite
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Yeah, that definitely sounds like how Finland has historically responded to Russian aggression.
Meanwhile in the Donbass.
Poe
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Germany's economy hasn't grown in years and Polands grew by 0.02% last year while the US grew by 2.5%. Europes economy *is* struggling while the US' has only become larger and more robust, leaving both them and China far behind it when 8 years ago Europe and the USA were equal and China was hyped to surpass us in size.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It's comments like this that show you're not actually holding a rational position, you've invested into something to the point where you're just having knee-jerk reactions of 'this position good, that position bad.'
The Russian economy is smaller than each of these economies among the US's allies individually:
1. Germany.
2. Japan.
3. The United Kingdom.
4. France. (dubious use as allies as they are)
5. Italy.
6. Canada, which has a quarter the population of Russia.
Russia is not 'too rich.' If that was the problem, we'd have problems with all of the above nations.
Russia is not 'too strong,' they're failing to conquer a nation a third their population and like a tenth their territory.
Russia is not 'too independent,' France is notorious for pursuing its own agenda whatever the rest of NATO thinks, Britain fought the Falklands war in spite of the US thinking it was a fool's errand, and the Canadians are playing all kind of screwy political games right now, but we haven't declared war on them either.
What Russia has done, is demonstrate a willingness to use force to conquer parts or all of other nations. That's the thing that it's done that none of the above nations have. Even that might not have been enough to make it a clear threat; look at the US's own adventurism and experiments with nation-building in the middle east.
But Russia doesn't just want to conquer its rivals, it wants to turn them into subjugated, mewling serfs. They have practically denuded the 'Luhansk Free Republic' and 'Donetsk People's Republic' of military age men in using them as canon-fodder against Ukraine. They've butchered civilian populations in areas they have taken control of, and they've showed a repeated willingness to attack civilian targets over military with their drones and cruise missiles.
The Russian are being opposed because what they are doing is evil, and they aren't bullying small or micro-nations anymore, they've tried to conquer the largest nation in Europe.
That sends a message to the rest of Europe, and while yes, some cowards, quislings, and delusional people in the EU might think that relations can just go back to normal, nations like Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, and Finland, know that's not acceptable.
You aren't just incorrect with the point you tried to make, you're the exact opposite of correct. If the Russians just wanted to make money hand-over-fist selling fossil fuels to stupid European greenies who are sabotaging their own economies, laughing all the way to the bank, nobody would have declared war on them.
If the Russians wanted to build a big, fancy military for defensive purposes, that'd make a lot of hawks in the West wary, but the default posture of the Cold Warriors is not to get into a direct military confrontation with the world's other leading nuclear power.
If the Russians wanted to make even more money selling the Chinese gobs of military hardware after they made a move on Taiwan, that still wouldn't result in war being declared on them.
It's not that Russia's too big; US and allies control far more territory, and the US alone has more than twice the population.
It's not that Russia is too powerful; their nuclear deterrent is the only reason that NATO hasn't just rolled out the barrel and smashed them flat with contemptuous ease.
It's not that Russia is too 'independent,' the West, both the progressives and the conservatives don't like all kinds of things Russia does within its own borders.
It's that Russia has decided that killing people who refuse to be their puppets is acceptable foreign policy.
That's one line that even most leftists apparently still have enough sanity to realize is not acceptable to cross.
AnimalNoodles
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Absolute GDP nonsense.
The true measure of an economy is production, and Russia actually *produces* more than any of those economies except for Japan.
Im sorry, you can print money but you cant print shells.
Interesting. Can you please show me some interesting links or sources which show that Russia manufactures more than any of those economies.
Start with the World Bank statistics perhaps?
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I think you are showing your ignorance in the topic by completely ignoring all the eastern NATO members and subscribing to Russian myths of dastardly Anglos and misguided Slavic brothers who totally want to be ruled with Moscow's glorious guidance, they just don't understand it yet.
This is getting into Dear Leader speech territory...
Look at the route of NS. If Germany tries to openly go against eastern NATO, theoretically they have a right to go "Oh, those commercial trade routes, they better not go through our territory or waters... They need to? Well then we have a problem..."
Not right now, but since decades, not because they are US vassals, but because they are retarded with green bullshit, and not US, but Russian, because Russian intelligence helped fund the green retards.
LMAO.
How many heavy jets does Russia produce? Can it beat just Airbus or Boeing in that?
You can't print airplanes...
