Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Bacle]

Man...that's stretching REALLY hard to find a way to link two things together.

Eh, you have to remember Texas was part of the Confederacy.

For context, from the outside the US some of the shit going on between Abbott and Biden seems like the 'South Rising Again', because the foreign news doesn't mention Biden already has all the powers he needs at the border and the 'deal' isn't needed to handle it.

The deal is about funding sanctuary cities ability to 'process' the illegal Texas and the border area is no longer 'absorbing'. Abbott beginning to bus illegal directly to sanctuary cities was a genius move.

However, because of how the border deal being stupidly tied to the aid to Ukraine and Israel has help up a lot of military aid while Ukraine is dealing with serious ammo and now manpower shortages, Texas is seen also now (because of western media twisting it's foreign outlets) as maybe trying to start a Civil war 2.0 over the border.

Also, a lot of those complaining about Confederate statues coming down also complain about aid to Ukraine, which is where the specific source of this meme is from. Russians are/were slavers too, just like the Confederates, and the world has not forgotten that fact just because some people in the US want to celebrate a 'Confederate Heritage'.

Also, the US did the wrong thing by withdrawing Federal troops too soon and allowing Jim Crow to become a thing, and when this is noted to people who want to celebrate having Confederates in their family, and want to define the South's whole history by celebrating it's worst 5 years and worst social practices, they get riled by it.

Some Ukrainians may also look at the Confederates as their similar to the Donbass 'rebels'.

 

[Husky_Khan]

It's more directly weird seeing like Korean-American and South Vietnamese-American Republications/Conservative Commentators shitting on Ukraine and supporting Putinist Russia in this conflict. I feel like there is a bit of a disconnect there. While Putin Russia obviously isn't Communist, much of the other ideological underpinnings are still pretty strong metaphors.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Bacle Oh, yeah, I get the links.

Though I do forget how badly the press is 'filtered' for overseas consumption, in both directions.

 

[Zachowon]

The false dichotomy that you must support the Ukraine to save Taiwan, not to mention that the island nation at least is an actual democracy unlike Zelensky's republic.
Also it comes from a notorious neocon that wants to attack everyone basically, the same guy who flip-flopped on Trump for the stupidest of reasons (a Judas in other words), that received multiple donations from Lockheed Martin.

Korea was a dictatorship when the war broke out and I wouldn't even call a functional democracy.
Taiwan was a dictatorship as well.
Japan was a Empire that we broke down and wasn't democratic...

 

[LordsFire]

That's the same calculus that was used in 2001-3 for the the involvement in the ME and it lead to even worse results.

No it wasn't.

2001 was plain and simple punishment. You hit us, we're going to hit you back, and harder.

2003 was a lot of things, but it wasn't about weakness/not weakness. The Iraqi military was already scared shitless of us because of 1991, and at least one unit tried to surrender before the war even began.

Trying to 'nation build' rather than smashing enemies flat and then leaving was stupid, but that's an issue from later on.

 

[Zachowon]

No it wasn't.

2001 was plain and simple punishment. You hit us, we're going to hit you back, and harder.

2003 was a lot of things, but it wasn't about weakness/not weakness. The Iraqi military was already scared shitless of us because of 1991, and at least one unit tried to surrender before the war even began.

Trying to 'nation build' rather than smashing enemies flat and then leaving was stupid, but that's an issue from later on.

Iraq was a win.
The enduring freedom after words was the issue

 

[strunkenwhite]

The false dichotomy that you must support the Ukraine to save Taiwan, not to mention that the island nation at least is an actual democracy unlike Zelensky's republic.
Also it comes from a notorious neocon that wants to attack everyone basically, the same guy who flip-flopped on Trump for the stupidest of reasons (a Judas in other words), that received multiple donations from Lockheed Martin.

We disagree on a lot, but at least we can bond over not taking what Lindsay Graham has to say seriously anymore.

 

[LTR]

Not sure if anyone is really interested in this but I wanted to post about it and this thread, into which I have ruthlessly pruned many posts into appears to be the best place to share.

Those who have known me for a while know I really love martial arts and that included Mixed Martial Arts. A long time ago there was a UFC-style promotion in Japan called Pride Fighting Championship. One of the fighters in there who often announced himself as being from either Russia or Ukraine was a man named Igor Vovchanchyn. In his career he had almost one hundred fights and from his fifty six professional wins, over forty of them were by knockout. He was an amazing puncher early in the sport and despite being very short, was able to knock out much larger opponents.

Knockout highlight reel.

He was also very polite and respectful and eventually his many fights caught up with him and he thankfully retired in 2005. A few weeks ago something reminded me of him so I looked him up, remembering he was from Kyiv so I wondered how he was doing now. It was good I was not the only one who was thinking of him. Many of his fans he made in Japan were curious as well and I found this article in English from a Japanese magazine with a letter from him about what he was doing.

Letter to Japan” From Igor Vovchanchyn, a Fighter in Ukraine | FRIDAY DIGITAL

I competed in the most famous MMA event in Japan called PRIDE. I am Igor Bobchanchin, a former mixed martial artist who is proud to have been a '' I fought in Japan every two months for eight years starting in 1998. Opponent

en.friday.news

It is dated April 24th 2022. His daughter Olga, as of the letter, was in service to the Ukrainian armed forces in some capacity and he was busy raising funds and delivering supplies and visiting troops during the Russian invasion which he obviously condemns and is outraged by.

More recently it seems he has reopened, or opened a new gym after it being shut down for several months at least after the start of the invasion.

 

[DarthOne]

Not really, those alliances were kept secret from other nations for some reason. That gave a lot of actors false assumptions of consequences.

Yes and no. They were ‘secret’ in the same way that Biden being a dementia riddled puppet is a secret. As in they were secret for a little bit, but didn’t stay that way for long for anyone paying attention.

 

[paulobrito]

Sorry to smash your wet dreams, but sending a hundred F-15 to Ukraine, before first defeating the Russian IADS is equal to losing them for no gain.
The Ukraine war is nothing like the very easy wars that the USAF has done in the last decades.
The best approximation - and that one is not the same - is the Vietnam War, and the US lost more than a thousand warplanes there.

 

[PsihoKekec]

I think shunting a hundred F-15s to Ukraine would swing the war rather decisively.

Sure, there is just a minor issue of training their pilots and support personnel from scratch. And there is also this minor issue of Ukrainian AAD already denying the Russians control of the airspace so F-15s doing their part would do jack shit in this regard, except shoot down a few more Gerans/Shaheeds. There are certain other things Ukraine needs, but that's being discussed in other threads, no need to pollute this one.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Yes and no. They were ‘secret’ in the same way that Biden being a dementia riddled puppet is a secret. As in they were secret for a little bit, but didn’t stay that way for long for anyone paying attention.

It may have been obvious who was on what side, but it may not have been obvious what action would pull what power into war.

But to bring it back to the current situation: I don't really see increased German involvement prompting China or Iran (or anyone else) to jump in on Russia's side of a sequel to the current conflict.

 

[Zachowon]

Sorry to smash your wet dreams, but sending a hundred F-15 to Ukraine, before first defeating the Russian IADS is equal to losing them for no gain.
The Ukraine war is nothing like the very easy wars that the USAF has done in the last decades.
The best approximation - and that one is not the same - is the Vietnam War, and the US lost more than a thousand warplanes there.

You mean the IADS that are doing jack and shit in protecting anything?

 

[Zachowon]

It just bleeds russia.

 

[PsihoKekec]

You mean the IADS that are doing jack and shit in protecting anything?

When was the last time Ukrainian jet planes flew over Rostov?

 

[PsihoKekec]

No Ukrainian sacrifice is too big to keep Zach happy.

 

[Zachowon]

When was the last time Ukrainian jet planes flew over Rostov?

IADS protect more then from planes.

 

[Zachowon]

No, if they uselessly charged thousands of troops at well defined fortifications and lost 600 plus vehicles and over 30k trying to take a citybwhich has been fortified and defended against fir the past 9 almost 10 years?
Then yes

 

[PsihoKekec]

Have you noticed the frontage in this war? With the territory to cover there will be plenty of gaps for missiles and drones to exploit. Hell, Americans are failing to protect much smaller point targets in Iraq and Jordan from drones and missiles and they are supposed to be at top of the game.

 

[PsihoKekec]

And how many of your disposable pawns have been sacrificed in suicidal counterattacks during this battle, just to prolong the battle for a few days and keep the internet supporters happy?