Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Jormungandr]

...You really do not have a good understanding of the mindset of the American Patriot.

shrug Just calling it how I see it as an outsider; on the flip side, Americans being so patriotic also blinds them to their faults, too.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

shrug Just calling it how I see it as an outsider; on the flip side, Americans being so patriotic also blinds them to their faults, too.

Certainly. It's how the FBI has gotten away with it for so long.

 

[Jormungandr]

Certainly. It's how the FBI has gotten away with it for so long.

The FBI, CIA, and ATF have bad reputations even in other countries.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Interesting. The Russians modified the Strela-10 which typically fires MANPAD sized missiles against aerial threats to engage land based targets much like they have with S-300 missiles.



This Strela-10 intercepted a train. Apparently the attempt failed to derail or destroy the train so it probably just requires more extensive testing.

 

[AmosTrask]

Interesting. The Russians modified the Strela-10 which typically fires MANPAD sized missiles against aerial threats to engage land based targets much like they have with S-300 missiles.



This Strela-10 intercepted a train. Apparently the attempt failed to derail or destroy the train so it probably just requires more extensive testing.

That's a shrapnel AA warhead. It doesn't have the penetration for anything heavier than a BMP1

 

[strunkenwhite]

First of all, I'd like to make the point that imperialism (and globalism) are both fundamentally economic systems.

The 'deep state' is the system of unelected career bureaucrats that run much of the administration of the US government, and the powerful lobbying political systems that influence them.

The 'deep state' itself is pro-globalism, pro-global corporations. Just look at the FED. They don't even put a mask to hide this - they exist to benefit multinational corporations, not American citizens.

Now lets talk about imperial systems. Imperial systems largely exists to facilitate trade for the benefit of the main country - see Pax Romana, Pax Mongolica, Pax Britannica, Pax Americana.

Now here's the thing: there's not really an economic system between globalism and imperialism. At the very least, you could certainly say that nothing else has really been tried, and its doubtful whether or not something else would work.

To be "anti-deep state" is to be "anti-Globalist", or "pro-Imperialist." To be against American imperialism - Pax Americana - is to be pro-globalist, supporting the same ideology as the 'deep state.'

Thanks for the clarification. I would say that I disagree with your position that no-one can be opposed to both globalism and American imperialism as outlined above. I am also not convinced that defining those things to be not just in tension but inherently contradictory is actually reasonable, but that's definitely not a topic for this thread.

 

[ParadiseLost]

I would say that I disagree with your position that no-one can be opposed to both globalism and American imperialism as outlined above.

I'm talking more about American citizens here.

 

[strunkenwhite]

I'm talking more about American citizens here.

Then I disagree that American citizens can't be opposed to both globalism and American imperialism.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Czech Supremacy!

Ha! Christ of Nations! Poles can't win at anything!

 

[AmosTrask]

Most of ASEAN is on the unfriendly list as well.

 

[Skallagrim]

That 2022 map is pretty close to the ideal "alliance template map".

Like a superior replacement of NATO.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Most of ASEAN is on the unfriendly list as well.

That 2022 map is pretty close to the ideal "alliance template map".

Like a superior replacement of NATO.

Yeah it'd be pretty cool to get some more countries on there, especially ASEAN ones like Philippines and Vietnam or something. Israel and Chile and Colombia also come to mind. If India and certain countries in Africa ever unfucked themselves... who knows.

 

[Cherico]

That 2022 map is pretty close to the ideal "alliance template map".

Like a superior replacement of NATO.

Russia sometimes gives out the best gifts.

 

[AmosTrask]

Yeah it'd be pretty cool to get some more countries on there, especially ASEAN ones like Philippines and Vietnam or something. Israel and Chile and Colombia also come to mind. If India and certain countries in Africa ever unfucked themselves... who knows.

India is slowly untangling itself from Russia. However, until they get military guarantees and research agreements with the US setup to replace Russia it'll be a while.

 

[Marduk]

So, once upon a time, there was this girl Vera Pekhteleva from Russia's Kemerovo. She was 23 and she was a student. And there was this guy Vladislav Kanius. Them two used to be a couple. In January 2020, he tortured her to death for like 12 hours because she had left him, and local police ignored calls from people next door who were hearing her scream. In the end, neighbours broke into their apartment only to see the guy drinking vodka next to her dead body. He inflicted over 100 wounds upon her. He was sentenced to 17 years behind bars and a 4 million roubles ($44,000) compensation to be paid off to the late girl's family and the court of justice. And you know what? The guy served only like 6 months. Vladimir Putin pardoned him, just like so many other convicts, because he had agreed to go to war and kill even more people in Ukraine. And he ended up being one of those who survived the mean grinder. And he returned home clean before the law about a year after the murder. Oh by the way, it's in the news today that Putin also relieved him of his obligation to pay off compensation to the family for the girls he slew. One could only guess why we Ukrainians want to stay a fucking galaxy away from what today's Russia is and from what the Putin regime has turned it into.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Okay I'm going to eat my words a bit regarding vigilante justice.

 

[Jormungandr]

If there's a person that deserved to be blown up by a Ukrainian drone's grenade or kamikaze, or be run over by his own army's tanks, it's him.

Fucking hell.

 

[AmosTrask]

Okay I'm going to eat my words w bit regarding vigilante justice.

If there's a person that deserved to be blown up by a Ukrainian drone's grenade or kamikaze, or be run over by his own army's tanks, it's him.

Fucking hell.

I hope so. But he has Siloviky protecting him now. They'd have to get past the Secret Police minder first.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I hope so. But he has Siloviky protecting him now. They'd have to get past the Secret Police minder first.

well my initial remark on vigilante justice was this.

I will admit I would have a problem if people started doing vigilante justice. As cool as superman and spider-man are. Vigilante justice turns into mob justice, which turns into witch hunts...so on and so forth. We saw how well that turned out for the french and red revolutions.

What I was thinking of was more of the pre-crime type vigilante justice or purification type vigilante justice. I wasin't talking about the cases where you stop a bad guy AS they are doing something bad.

 

[AmosTrask]

well my initial remark on vigilante justice was this.


What I was thinking of was more of the pre-crime type vigilante justice or purification type vigilante justice. I wasin't talking about the cases where you stop a bad guy AS they are doing something bad.

Que? That isn't happening. Russian police exist to protect the state from the people. They routinely ignore serial killers until they target the wrong victim. Then you see a massive security crackdown like the shows of force in China. Where thousands of riot police and armored vehicles March down central streets in the SS goose step.