paulobrito
Well-known member
To be honest, any tank hit from that range on the side is going to be toasted. What is strange is that the T-90 'let' the T-64(?) get to that position.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Buba
A total creep
At that range - from ANY side
Ambush/horrible optics in the tactical k
Well, that or the drivers were drunk on vodka, were incompetent conscripts, or both.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I'd argue their best tank is the T-80 rather than the T-90
AnimalNoodles
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how well are the leopards doing?
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Tanks in general have not been performing very well for either side to be honest.
Leopards have been doing pretty well though. It certainly would've been able to reverse better if approached like in that engagement.
I'm beginning to think this AI OSINT account Terror Alarm might be trolling...
AnimalNoodles
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exactly. The leopard has performed no better in its role than the russian tanks, and nor will the abrams.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Compare the sort of armor advances in Desert storm and the 2003 invasion to what's happening on the ground in Ukraine atm.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You mean the armor advances that were supported by utterly crushing air superiority, something that the Ukrainians definitely do not have?
This is functionally irrelevant to comparing the current in-field performance of Leopards and Abrams vs T-XXs.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Well, on an operational level, have they made a difference over the t-64 tanks Ukraine uses?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
No,. you made the assertion, you have the burden of proof.
You don't get to treat your assertion as true by default, and try to force me to prove that you're wrong.
I don't think that's a question us arm-chair generals have a chance of really answering without getting on the ground reports.
It just so happens that you can see what a Ukrainian Leopard 2 tanker who transferred from T-64 has to say about these things.
OK, for those of us without 30 free minutes....TLDW that for us please.
Ukrainian tank crews previously trained on the T-64 are *incredibly* impressed by the dramatic leap in capabilities on the Leopard, particularly the speed, maneuverability, and the long-range stabilized targeting.
-better crew comforts and safety
-more accurate gun
-better agility due to better gearbox not fucking up reversing like in many eastern tanks
-night optics being so much better that they rarely operate outside of darkness to make full use of this advantage