Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

That... would make things worse...

... remember, the collapse of the USSR got us into this god-forsaken mess. If you want to make a persecution complex act like fast-acting cancer, this is how you do it.
The problem is that Russia already had one, USSR had its own propaganda apparatus working on its population before it collapsed for decades, and they did know the value of a good persecution complex against "evil capitalist West". The later Putin government only needed to change a few labels and catch up with a few years of relative break in propaganda, besides that had the whole thing already complete.

Fun fact, despite the fall of USSR, Russia never stopped teaching the Soviet historical narrative as the official one in schools - the narrative where WW2 began in 1941, with all the historical and political implications of that.
 
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I do not think it is appreciated by many alive today how bad things were in immediate postwar Germany. People know that France spent the war being a battlefield. People know about the Russian Revolution, even if they are largely ignorant of the very bloody civil war, plus being ruled by authoritarian communists automatically gives people a hint. But German soil was spared, right? Well.

The British had resorted to a strategy of literally starving the Germans into submission, and it worked, and when the armistice happened it didn't stop right away. Then the German government was toppled amid civil strife, including a communist uprising that (whether it would have followed the Russian example or not) certainly prompted people to fear it would. And it was put down by those who would become tomorrow's fascists. Did I mention the pandemic yet? Oh and the fact that the next decade of political and economic developments would be completely bananas, even by the standards of interwar Europe.

No, I don't think we can take it as a given that the Germans would have been as vulnerable to the appeal of wacky occultism. We can't say they wouldn't have succumbed, but neither can we they would.
All true - but wacky occult was among german protestants since 19th century.And quite popular in volk movement.
WW1 made it worst,but it arleady existed there as strong force.
 
Brutality in War.

Magnanimity in Victory.

It’s a winning formula.
Against cyvilized enemy.Or,at least,normal savages.
But kgbstan is full of soviet people,who would think that you are weak if you do not stomped on them.
And,that was before that,too.
When mongols choosed Moscov princes as their tools in Russia,they always showed them their place - by climbing on their horses on Moscov duke back.

If we destroy golden 1000 who rule kgbstan,and replace them with normal people,then it could work.
But,we must remove kgb mafia first.
 
Against cyvilized enemy.Or,at least,normal savages.
But kgbstan is full of soviet people,who would think that you are weak if you do not stomped on them.
And,that was before that,too.
When mongols choosed Moscov princes as their tools in Russia,they always showed them their place - by climbing on their horses on Moscov duke back.

If we destroy golden 1000 who rule kgbstan,and replace them with normal people,then it could work.
But,we must remove kgb mafia first.
That's why we need to have the stones to, when they Russians inevitably break the agreement, to deliver REAL consequences to all involved.
 
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That's why we need to have the stones to, when they Russians inevitably break the agreement, to deliver REAL consequences to all involved.

I don't think thats realistic, most of the west has deep internal issues that are breaking out all over, we wont have the capacity to deliver said conquenses, but good news if Russia loses this war their demographics are so fucked that their likely just done as a major power.
 
The problem is that Russia already had one, USSR had its own propaganda apparatus working on its population before it collapsed for decades, and they did know the value of a good persecution complex against "evil capitalist West". The later Putin government only needed to change a few labels and catch up with a few years of relative break in propaganda, besides that had the whole thing already complete.

Fun fact, despite the fall of USSR, Russia never stopped teaching the Soviet historical narrative as the official one in schools - the narrative where WW2 began in 1941, with all the historical and political implications of that.
... what I meant is that it will only make it worse, which is why we've got to be careful. We can't further break up Russia because we'll make the situation that led to the rise of the Nazis look like a schoolyard brawl, and I don't know about you, but I don't want a leadership that is like the actual Nazis with their hands close to the nuclear button.

We're already too close to ZDF's World War 3 to be comfortable with as it is.

That sort of situation would likely have a chance of the leadership acting like Makarov from the original Modern Warfare series. The mentality of 'Russia will be victorious, even if it must stand upon the ashes'...
That's why we need to have the stones to, when they Russians inevitably break the agreement, to deliver REAL consequences to all involved.
The core problems with that are twofold: 1) the necessary occupation required would require somewheres near a billion or two (proper occupations require something along the lines of 10 soldiers per person under occupation) and decades to accomplish (we're talking better part of a century here), and 2) it'll require the nuclear question to be thoroughly answered in everyone else's favor (but the likelihood of this getting answered will also have the problem of having large-scale wars becoming a thing again, rather permanently).
 
... what I meant is that it will only make it worse, which is why we've got to be careful. We can't further break up Russia because we'll make the situation that led to the rise of the Nazis look like a schoolyard brawl, and I don't know about you, but I don't want a leadership that is like the actual Nazis with their hands close to the nuclear button.

We're already too close to ZDF's World War 3 to be comfortable with as it is.

That sort of situation would likely have a chance of the leadership acting like Makarov from the original Modern Warfare series. The mentality of 'Russia will be victorious, even if it must stand upon the ashes'...
As the saying goes, let them hate, as long as they fear. There is quite a number of nuclear armed governments in the world with strong feelings regarding their neighbors, and that will always be the case, probably more so than less.
According to some supposed leaks, current situation is a direct result of them not fearing enough - of Kremlin believing that once they finish their Desert Stormski and have their parade in Kyiv, the West will be so shocked that it will basically shit its pants, roll over and give them almost anything they demand, including partial or complete breakup of NATO, confirming Russia's return to the table of world powers, as an equal to USA and China, kinda like in the good ol' days, despite the fact that in reality Russia is so far equal, if not superior, to such only in the size of the ego of its leadership, which is not enough to substantiate such claim.

A precedent where any nuclear power can get at least a favorable compromise in any conflict just on the implied threat that it will become suicidally aggressive out of sheer butthurt over getting anything less than that is one no one sane wants to set.
Especially in context of the existence of Islamic political factions that are or may become nuclear powers, while having a far clearer and better evidenced history and ideological motivation for willingly engaging in suicidal degrees of aggression than Russia.

The biggest mistakes here i think were the lackluster responses of the West after 2008, 2014 and the covert ops chemical attack in UK, gradually emboldening Russian leadership in its provocative actions and increasingly convincing them about how cowardly or impotent western powers must be if they react so sheepishly, in turn shifting expectations low for future reactions to other events from said countries.
The core problems with that are twofold: 1) the necessary occupation required would require somewheres near a billion or two (proper occupations require something along the lines of 10 soldiers per person under occupation) and decades to accomplish (we're talking better part of a century here), and 2) it'll require the nuclear question to be thoroughly answered in everyone else's favor (but the likelihood of this getting answered will also have the problem of having large-scale wars becoming a thing again, rather permanently).
Few would even consider occupying whole of Russia, if at all, and that's what would in fact require answering the nuclear question. Other options though, it gets murkier.
And the problem of large scale wars returning is obviously already a done deal considering that one is quite clearly happening.
 
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... what I meant is that it will only make it worse, which is why we've got to be careful. We can't further break up Russia because we'll make the situation that led to the rise of the Nazis look like a schoolyard brawl, and I don't know about you, but I don't want a leadership that is like the actual Nazis with their hands close to the nuclear button.

We're already too close to ZDF's World War 3 to be comfortable with as it is.

That sort of situation would likely have a chance of the leadership acting like Makarov from the original Modern Warfare series. The mentality of 'Russia will be victorious, even if it must stand upon the ashes'...

The core problems with that are twofold: 1) the necessary occupation required would require somewheres near a billion or two (proper occupations require something along the lines of 10 soldiers per person under occupation) and decades to accomplish (we're talking better part of a century here), and 2) it'll require the nuclear question to be thoroughly answered in everyone else's favor (but the likelihood of this getting answered will also have the problem of having large-scale wars becoming a thing again, rather permanently).
1.It was worst in germany,becouse germans still existed as nation,and supported Hitler till 1945 in his crimes.Here,russian nation is long dead,all we have is ruling kgb mafias,minorities who want freedom,and sovek who do not care.

Kill kgb dudes,let minorities have its own states,and everything would be good.

2.What occupation? all minorities would get their own states,and soveks who live in what once was russia would do what their new overlords say.
 
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And the problem of large scale wars returning is obviously already a done deal considering that one is quite clearly happening.
It isn't to that point yet, I'm afraid. We're still not in the tier of 'major wars' yet. We're still in the 'big minor wars' tier in the scope of history. What history calls 'major wars' tend to be worldwide (at least, for the time) conflagrations.
 
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It isn't to that point yet, I'm afraid. We're still not in the tier of 'major wars' yet. We're still in the 'big minor wars' tier in the scope of history. What history calls 'major wars' tend to be worldwide (at least, for the time) conflagrations.
Those are not mere major wars, we call those world wars, and there were only 2 overall.
 
I think what he's trying to get at is wars that engulf an entire political "world". You can't expect the Punic Wars to draw in China.
@Marduk, strunkenwhite is surprisingly on point. Hence why I said 'worldwide for the time'. People forget that the view of what is considered 'the whole world' changed over the centuries as transportation technology and infrastructure improved and declined.

The Punic Wars were considered world wars for their time because, at that time, the 'whole world' was focused in the Med for the Romans, Carthaginians, and the major powers of the Western Classical World.
 
@Marduk, strunkenwhite is surprisingly on point. Hence why I said 'worldwide for the time'. People forget that the view of what is considered 'the whole world' changed over the centuries as transportation technology and infrastructure improved and declined.

The Punic Wars were considered world wars for their time because, at that time, the 'whole world' was focused in the Med for the Romans, Carthaginians, and the major powers of the Western Classical World.
That's just playing silly games with rubber definitions. It was not possible to have a proper world war in pre-industrial era of course, the logistics weren't there, this was the closest thing possible, and it is ridiculous to apply the same standard to the age of jets and ballistic missiles.
It's a different world.
I think what he's trying to get at is wars that engulf an entire political "world". You can't expect the Punic Wars to draw in China.
Yet they didn't draw in Persia either. It was just a major war between 2 major powers.
It's a clumsy attempt to equate different events in different eras of warfare in one of which they simply were not possible.
 
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Yet they didn't draw in Persia either. It was just a major war between 2 major powers.
It's a clumsy attempt to equate different events in different eras of warfare in one of which they simply were not possible.
I don't disagree with that, but it was also a mistake for you to say the only things fitting his definition were the two world wars.

Perhaps you'd both accept a definition like "war that directly involves competing hegemons (on opposite sides)" ... either way, I'll probably quit sticking my nose in.
 
Hmm, maybe the 21st century will see Sweden as a serious military power again, now that neutrality is gone with regards to Russia.
sweden is too busy being mass raped by the countless muslims they mass imported into the country to achieve anything.


And if you try to say anything about how islam has a rape culture you go to prison for "Denigration of ethnic groups".

For many years, Michael Hess lived in Muslim countries, and he is well acquainted with Islam and its view of women. During his trial, he provided evidence of how sharia law deals with rape, and statistics to indicate that Muslims are vastly overrepresented among perpetrators of rape in Sweden. However, the court decided that facts were irrelevant:

"The Court [Tingsrätten] notes that the question of whether or not Michael Hess's pronouncement is true, or appeared to be true to Michael Hess, has no bearing on the case. Michael Hess's statement must be judged based on its timing and context. ... At the time of the offense, Michael Hess referred neither to established research nor to Islamic sources. It was only in connection with his indictment that Michael Hess tried to find support in research and religious writings. The Court therefore notes that Michael Hess's pronouncement was obviously not a part of any reasoned [saklig] or trustworthy [vederhäftig] discussion. Michael Hess's pronouncement must therefore be viewed as an expression of disdain for immigrants with an Islamic faith."

Just another failed state in the process of genociding its white population.
 
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sweden is too busy being mass raped by the countless muslims they mass imported into the country to achieve anything.


And if you try to say anything about how islam has a rape culture you go to prison for "Denigration of ethnic groups".



Just another failed state in the process of genociding its white population.

For the love of Christ…
 
Don't we got a Hate News thread for articles from 2015 about how Sweden is the Rape Capitol of the West?
 
Details on the (in)famous October 8th 2022 Truck Bombing that severely damaged the Kerch Bridge.

Below is the Russian supported narrative, backed by Bulgarian, Armenian, Azeri media and reports as well of course Russian reports.


Recently released information from the Ukrainian SBU supports some of the above narrative.

 

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