True, but also misleading. ALL soldiers go through training, not all soldiers go to war. Rate is higher for the soldiers in war.
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that's a nice thought, but the tools of war generate risk...ESPECIALLY when you use them.
strunkenwhite
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I won't speak for others, but I am fully aware of this. I am not saying non-nuclear WW3 is impossible; but neither do I think it's impossible to avoid, especially in a timeframe of the next 50 years. There is a space in between those two options, you know.
lol, Noodles gave the game away by bringing up radiation when no one else did. You need to update your talking point flowchart, or at least pay enough attention to realize when things are going off script.
P.S. Iron harvest.
Well, given the amount of salt in McDonalds' foodstuffs, I guess they could be considered "preserved rations", lol.
Megadeath
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I mean, as an ideal, sure. But practically speaking there's just boat loads of hazard generated by a soldier's own side. Back blast from a rocket launch, friendly fire, improperly marked or communicated mine fields, some rando trooper digging a defensive ditch you didn't expect on your night time patrol, the guy in your enclosed fox hole with a three pack a day habit, Bob the bungler who's improper maintenance produced a slipping gear in his m203.
Now sure, all of those can be somewhat or completely mitigated with proper procedure but then so can the issue you're advancing. Consider also, the use of non DU ammunition. When that destroys an enemy tank, it does have a tendency to still cause explosions and fires. These also pose something of an environmental health risk for friendly forces. More short lived and obvious perhaps, but I'd say that all things considered the issue of DU is negligible in context.
Yes, but the rate is still staggering how many die in training from things that should not have happend, but still did even eith proper safety
2030 will be either when or after the next world war
The Russians have endless reserves of the most ecologically conscious and more importantly sustainably sourced main gun tank ammunition in the world, carefully removed from environmentally secured long term storage and transported to the front in a stringently professional and ethical manner. And unless Ukraine surrenders immediately it will all be unleashed in a responsible and surgical manner upon their lands!
strunkenwhite
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Thank you for your courage with such a concrete prediction. And conveniently for everyone it's a short time frame. What will you reevaluate, epistemologically, if the world-shaking cataclysm you were so certain would happen does not come to pass?
As for me, I think the odds are pretty low, but non-zero, that a world war will happen by or before then. I presume you believe it will involve a US-China conflict. I would go so far as to say I'm certain there won't be a non-nuclear world war before 2030 that doesn't revolve around that.
Megadeath
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I know it's not actually incorrect usage, and I can just about get my head around it but the exclusionary triple negative at the end there really does my head in. There's gotta be a better way to phrase that?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
The Russians have endless reserves of the most ecologically conscious and more importantly sustainably sourced main gun tank ammunition in the world, carefully removed from environmentally secured long term storage and transported to the front in a stringently professional and ethical manner. And unless Ukraine surrenders immediately it will all be unleashed in a responsible and surgical manner upon their lands!
Err, unless I'm mistaken, the preferred SAFE way of stacking artillery or tank shells is nose up, tail down on pallets...not casually stacking them like lumber. I wouldn't want to be within several miles of that. Also, look at the condition of the casings, that doesn't look like it's been properly stored at all.
If U.S. Army or Marines found that shit, they'd probably have EOD wire it all up to explode, no one else would even touch that.
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Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Considering everything else in McDonalds' foodstuffs, providing that food to people in war should be considered a war crime.
I am just confident in my opinion based off what I see on my job
Buba
A total creep
IIRC I've seen many photos of such storage from WWI and WWII by British army.
Well, their Cokes taste nice, as do their chocolate milkshakes; their fries are nice when fresh, and don't forget the ice-creams e.g. McFlurries.
But yeah, I remember ordering a breakfast wrap from them a few years back, on the way to the hospital -- it was a tortilla wrap with bacon, sausage, and egg. Oh, and ketchup.
It was fucking flavourless. Seriously, I couldn't even taste the goddamn salt.
How do you remove the taste from fucking salt of all things?
With great care - all salt go into tears of their workers and customers !Well, their Cokes taste nice, as do their chocolate milkshakes; their fries are nice when fresh, and don't forget the ice-creams e.g. McFlurries.
But yeah, I remember ordering a breakfast wrap from them a few years back, on the way to the hospital -- it was a tortilla wrap with bacon, sausage, and egg. Oh, and ketchup.
It was fucking flavourless. Seriously, I couldn't even taste the goddamn salt.
How do you remove the taste from fucking salt of all things?
Skallagrim
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But why would you?
because the building can be used to hold a better restarant in the future.
This is absolutely, incontestably, factually false and your willingness to make up absolutely inconcievable "water isn't wet" level anti-physics claims reflects very poorly on your character. While not pyrophoric, tungsten penetrators absolutely still break up into high temperature fragments at hypervelocity impacts. There is literally no substance on earth that could remain "a big lump of metal" during a hypervelocity impact, and this is in fact the key definining feature of hypervelocity impact physics, regardless of whether you're talking about tungsten or DU or any other metal.
"The impact of a kinetic energy penetrator on a steel target in an enclosure produces high temperature fragments that in turn heat the surrounding air, causing the air pressure to rise. Additionally, pyrophoric penetrators like those made of depleted uranium burn rapidly, causing a further increase in air pressure. This report documents and analyzes the pressures measured during tests in which laboratory tungsten and depleted uranium kinetic energy penetrators impacted steel targets inside of an enclosed test range, and compares them with pressures measured during tests using pentolite in the same enclosure."
Source: Blast Pressures Induced by the Impact of Kinetic Energy Penetrators on Steel Targets in an Enclosed Range.
Issue is, soldiers often have to come close to said tanks:
Depleted uranium: Courts accept cancer risk denied by army
Courts across Europe have ruled that depleted uranium can cause cancer among troops. Yet the British army insists it is safe to supply Ukraine with the toxic tank shells.declassifieduk.org
Incidence of haematological malignancies in Kosovo—A post "uranium war" concern
During the Kosovo War (1998–99) approximately 31,000 rounds with Depleted Uranium (DU) were fired on 85 targets in Kosovo. The number of haematological malignancies (HM) increased after the war and the concern was the use of DU during the war. ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This is the equivalent of California state laws requiring, "This causes cancer!" stickers on literally everything, regardless of the fact that this is totally not the case. The European courts making these findings exist in their own plane of reality where physical facts bend to the need to "stick it to the U.S. politically".
This post contains substances known to the State of California to cause cancer.
The Russians have endless reserves of the most ecologically conscious and more importantly sustainably sourced main gun tank ammunition in the world, carefully removed from environmentally secured long term storage and transported to the front in a stringently professional and ethical manner. And unless Ukraine surrenders immediately it will all be unleashed in a responsible and surgical manner upon their lands!
The Russian tactic is quantity over quality. That said they only have so much quantity.