Well, at least we see one of the many reasons why Sweden and Norway are dumpster fires now.Eastern Europe is, unsurprisingly, more hostile towards Muslims than Western Europe is:
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Denmark also has problems but their politicians are more anti-immigration. Even the leftists. And it also has a far-right hothead named Rasmus Paludan who burns Korans in Muslim neighborhoods (always with heavy personal security, obviously) and wants to deport all Danish Muslims if he will ever get into power in Denmark, I think. He got almost 2% of the vote in the last Danish election, IIRC.
Because of experience with pro-soviet Jews in 1939 and later.Yeah, reasonable enough.
BTW, off-topic, but it looks like Ukraine is one of the most philo-Semitic countries in Eastern Europe, especially outside of the Balkans:
Why do Armenians, Poles, Czechs, and Romanians hate Jews so much?
But Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, and Georgia don't appear to have this problem.
Still more than Ukraine and the southern countries. Russia and Belarus are barely few percent off Poland.
Romania had its own odd ideological regime in eastern block.
The rest probably has something to do with local minority politics and specific Soviet administrators, but i'm, not so familiar with such historical details.
Armenia? Probably a legacy of Ottoman minority politics involving them and Jews.
Also more recent politics in their case:
Jews didn't support the designation of the Armenian Genocide, why now?
Jewish lawmakers, as recently as 2007, were not in favor of designating the Armenian Genocide as such, yet today they do. What changed over time is the crumbling of the Turkey-Israel alliance.
Was the fear of Judeo-Bolshevism less severe in the Balkans due to that region's small Jewish percentage?
And I find it quite interesting that Ukraine was very Jewish in a relative sense (5% using 1939 data, more with the annexed territories in 1939-1940, 2% using 1959 data) and experienced severe anti-Semitic pogroms during the Russian Civil War and against during WWII and yet isn't very anti-Semitic nowadays.
Soviets were further away and less direct in ruling them, and they had plenty enough of own ethnic conflicts for them for there to be no need to set up Jews-locals ones.
Probably has something to do with that, Soviets considered it their own core area, at least intended to be, and so didn't want to stir up excessive trouble there.
But AFAIK, Ukrainians had plenty of experience with Jewish commissars in the 1930s, whom they often had to report their complaints while they were starving during the Holodomor.
Didn't they boil some families alive during that? Lovely group of people Stalin was surrounded by
Most Jews that lived there at the time were not Soviet administrators, Ukraine had and still has significant population of Jews, and didn't have a situation like Soviets invading with Jews siding with Soviets as opposed to the rest of locals, at least not as freshly, not sure how it went earlier.
Didn't they boil some families alive during that? Lovely group of people Stalin was surrounded by
During the Holodomor? I don't think so, but maybe there's something that I don't know. You can try enlightening me.
Were most Jews in the Baltics, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary Soviet administrators? I doubt it. Though maybe Jewish support for the Reds there was more pronounced relative to the locals. Not sure. But this one interesting book about post-WWI Austria-Hungary talks about how it was primarily the unsuccessful Jews, not the fat cats, who supported the Bolsheviks in Hungary:
The tragedy of central Europe, by Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett.
babel.hathitrust.org
Dunno about the others, but in Poland, as wherever Soviet troops arrives, a disturbing number of representatves of Jewish minority, often intellectuals and artists, who were usually of already leftist bent, have started to simp hard for the Soviets. People remembered...
It's a pretty controversial topic here too.
History of the Jews in Poland - Wikipedia
And this also didn't make Jews look good:
Collaboration in German-occupied Poland - Wikipedia
Dunno about the others, but in Poland, as wherever Soviet troops arrives, a disturbing number of representatves of Jewish minority, often intellectuals and artists, who were usually of already leftist bent, have started to simp hard for the Soviets. People remembered...
It's a pretty controversial topic here too.
History of the Jews in Poland - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And this also didn't make Jews look good:
Collaboration in German-occupied Poland - Wikipedia
I don't blame Jews for cooperating with the Nazis to save their own lives. The one biggest regret that I have is that Stalin did not ask Hitler to hand over all of the Polish Jews to him en masse. That, along with a subsequent mass deportation of them to Siberia and/or Central Asia, would have ironically saved most of their lives from the impending Holocaust.
Considering what services they were providing to the Nazis in exchange, quite a double edged sword you have there.
Wouldn't a lot of people do anything to save their own lives? And/or their family's lives?
As others have replied, lots of people in Eastern Europe have a historical memory regarding Jews and the political causes they aligned themselves with.
But in a more general sense - you don't need to hate anyone to not believe that people of a totally different culture and religion should be citizens of your country, if said country is an ethnically-defined nation-state that exists specifically for your own people. That might be the case with Armenia.
Yeah, reasonable enough.
BTW, off-topic, but it looks like Ukraine is one of the most philo-Semitic countries in Eastern Europe, especially outside of the Balkans:
Why do Armenians, Poles, Czechs, and Romanians hate Jews so much?
Dunno about armenians,czech or romanians.
In case of Poland - in 1920 jews helped soviets.In 1939 jews helped soviets and made lists of poles who was ten send to gulag/massgraves.Cooperated with germans,too,and were treated better then poles till 1942.
In 1944 they helped soviets again,and from 1944 till 1956 Poland was soviet colony co-ruled by soviets and jews.
Which send us to massgraves and prisons.
After 1956 jews was still part of ruling commie elites.
In 1968 they could either remain as part of elites,or go to USA/France/Izrael with their property.In those times ordinary poles could leave Poland,or,if they manage to do so,must leave all their property.
After 1990 jews started lying about polish death camps.
Now,american jews and Izrael try rob us from our property under pretext,that it belong to them.For example - germans destroyed jewish home in Warsaw,polish state build new after 1945,jews want it as their property.
So,it is not hate.We simply knew,that average jew would help both soviets and germans during war,not us - and ,even if german kill them again,yjey would blame us,not germans,for germans crimes.
It is not hate.it is experience.
And,about everybody doing anything to survive - poles do not did everything to survive,when germans genocided us.
We even helped hide jews,when germans killed for that entire families.
Tell me,how many jews hide poled from NKWD when they could die for that with their families ? as far as i knew,0.
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liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
I understand that there is no shortage of statist myths in Poland (I live in southern Malopolska, I often hear similar opinions to the one presented above), many people love inefficient state-owned factories that waste resources and ignore the private sector, but in comparision to most countries with similar history, from Bulgaria and Romania to Ukraine, performance of Polish economy is almost a miracle. Sell even more "Polish national assets" pretty please, I like to work in a private enterprise able to produce value, lol.
Russia's in deep shit if we give them Challenger 2's, even ones that had certain technologies/capabilities removed.
There's a reason why it's in the top three tanks of the world, and now that we've switched over to smoothbores? They're gonna be popping Russian armoured targets like an American popping shrimp.
paulobrito
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Challenger 2 are - if you remove the British propaganda - a meh NATO tank.
Under-powered and with a meh gun.
Granted, they have decent armor, but, that is not enough.
Now, if you - dream on - refit it with a Europower pack (1500+hp versus barely 1200hp) and a Rmt 120l55 (or L55+ or even L55.1) now, we are talking.
Also needs an upgrade on their frankly old sensors...
So - for that conflict is a good tank, but for NATO standards, is a meh, old one.
And, btw, how many exist? About 200...
Under-powered and with a meh gun.
Granted, they have decent armor, but, that is not enough.
Now, if you - dream on - refit it with a Europower pack (1500+hp versus barely 1200hp) and a Rmt 120l55 (or L55+ or even L55.1) now, we are talking.
Also needs an upgrade on their frankly old sensors...
So - for that conflict is a good tank, but for NATO standards, is a meh, old one.
And, btw, how many exist? About 200...