Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[ATP]

Is "Pain Makes Stronger!" in the Ministry of Defence text about forcible conversion of deposits into loans real?

It is a truth long established that it is me and bro against coz, and me and bro and coz against everybody else.

I've been convinced since March that Putin has done more than any other person for Ukrainian ethnogenesis (that's nation building, peasants ), supplying it with its "blood and fire" founding mythos.

Yes.Austrian invented them as nation after 1866,after 1918 germans take over till WW2,but ukrainians there were still minority.
Soviets keep it at check,after 1990 not much changed - and now all who survive would be ukrainian patriot.
Maybe Putin really is chineese agent?
Or,it is part of his scheme to take over world.He is KGB,so he must have genial plan,nobody would convict me otherwise!

 

[Buba]

Wunderwaffe to the rescue?

https://topwar.ru/207488-rossijskie-perspek...j-operacii.html

Apparently T-14s have been spotted near Donetsk, training up their crews ...


As to the "defective" 6 inch shells - why waterproof if they are to be fired off immediately? One of the shortcuts of wartime manufacture. Of course, the people handling the shells should be instructed to take some care about not leaving them in puddles ...

 

[Jormungandr]

Wunderwaffe to the rescue?

https://topwar.ru/207488-rossijskie-perspek...j-operacii.html

Apparently T-14s have been spotted near Donetsk, training up their crews ...


As to the "defective" 6 inch shells - why waterproof if they are to be fired off immediately? One of the shortcuts of wartime manufacture. Of course, the people handling the shells should be instructed to take some care about not leaving them in puddles ...

Because even moisture in the air, such as that in Russia and its colder climates, can compromise the shells.

Transporting them in a train car, for example, will expose them to significant condensation, even in cases.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

It is a truth long established that it is me and bro against coz, and me and bro and coz against everybody else.

It's not a universal truth, however; for example, both communist and anti-communist Vietnamese nationalist forces banded together to fight the Japanese and French occupation of Vietnam, but they did not unite against the United States occupation of Vietnam even though that was pretty much a straight repeat of the French occupation.

(There's a lot of nuance in exactly why that happened, of course.)

 

[King Arts]

It's not a universal truth, however; for example, both communist and anti-communist Vietnamese nationalist forces banded together to fight the Japanese and French occupation of Vietnam, but they did not unite against the United States occupation of Vietnam even though that was pretty much a straight repeat of the French occupation.

(There's a lot of nuance in exactly why that happened, of course.)

Want to elucidate? What they taught was that the capitalist south were willing to collaborate with the Americans in exchange for getting to rule their half of the actual nation.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Want to elucidate? What they taught was that the capitalist south were willing to collaborate with the Americans in exchange for getting to rule their half of the actual nation.

The most accurate take would be that with a *lot* of assistance and management by the CIA, the career quisling Ngo Dinh Diem (who had collaborated with the Japanese, the French, and then fled the country entirely when the revolution started) was empowered to create a South Vietnamese regime which was nominally democratic, but in fact an unchecked oligarchy that was run by the Catholic minority. It was very much not about capitalism, but about the United States taking the (relatively successful) strategy of using a suitable minority group to create a puppet government that was wholly dependent on US sponsorship and thus could never "betray" its true master.

They didn't so much "collaborate" with the Americans so much as they were *always* a puppet government that had very little support outside of American intervention and had to brutally suppress all actual democracy. In the end, Diem was removed from power in a military coup literally the moment the United States indicated through back channels that they had lost confidence in him and would accept new leadership; and then the South Vietnamese regime of course collapsed entirely as soon as the U.S. withdrew.

 

[Buba]

Because even moisture in the air, such as that in Russia and its colder climates, can compromise the shells.
Transporting them in a train car, for example, will expose them to significant condensation, even in cases.

Oh ... live and learn, I suppose. Thanks!

It's not a universal truth,

"Only the Sith deal in absolutes"
Master Obi-Wan "Truth from a Certain Point of View" Kenobi, Jedi

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. "
Master Yoda, Jedi (?)

 

[ATP]

It's not a universal truth, however; for example, both communist and anti-communist Vietnamese nationalist forces banded together to fight the Japanese and French occupation of Vietnam, but they did not unite against the United States occupation of Vietnam even though that was pretty much a straight repeat of the French occupation.

(There's a lot of nuance in exactly why that happened, of course.)

Vietnam commies helped Japaneese.At least as long as they were winning.

The most accurate take would be that with a *lot* of assistance and management by the CIA, the career quisling Ngo Dinh Diem (who had collaborated with the Japanese, the French, and then fled the country entirely when the revolution started) was empowered to create a South Vietnamese regime which was nominally democratic, but in fact an unchecked oligarchy that was run by the Catholic minority. It was very much not about capitalism, but about the United States taking the (relatively successful) strategy of using a suitable minority group to create a puppet government that was wholly dependent on US sponsorship and thus could never "betray" its true master.

They didn't so much "collaborate" with the Americans so much as they were *always* a puppet government that had very little support outside of American intervention and had to brutally suppress all actual democracy. In the end, Diem was removed from power in a military coup literally the moment the United States indicated through back channels that they had lost confidence in him and would accept new leadership; and then the South Vietnamese regime of course collapsed entirely as soon as the U.S. withdrew.

Which catholic minority was most educated and wealthy part of society.And CIA removed them,after removing Emperor Bao first.
Later Vietnam was abadonned - as if USA did everything they could to get country to commies.Becouse,they could:
1.Support french with planes and war materials - they would win then
2.Support Emperor Bao,not remove him
3.Support Diem
4.Support suckers who replaced him.

They failed to do so - becouse either they were stupid,or supported commies.

 

[bintananth]

Because even moisture in the air, such as that in Russia and its colder climates, can compromise the shells.

Transporting them in a train car, for example, will expose them to significant condensation, even in cases.

Explosives also do not like to be wet because most don't work when they're wet. The easiest way to prevent a magazine fire from turning into a magazine explosion with a mushroom cloud: flood the magazine ASAP with all the water you've got.

EDIT: When Yamato was sinking her forward magazines went "BOOM!" The resulting mushroom cloud was visible and seen from the Japanese coast.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Explosives also do not like to be wet because most don't work when they're wet. The easiest way to prevent a magazine fire from turning into a magazine explosion with a mushroom cloud: flood the magazine ASAP with all the water you've got.

EDIT: When Yamoto was sinking her forward magazines went "BOOM!" The resulting mushroom cloud was visible and seen from the Japanese coast.

You mean Yamato. And yes -- it was terribly demoralizing to the Japanese, just as they deserved.

 

[bintananth]

You mean Yamato. And yes -- it was terribly demoralizing to the Japanese, just as they deserved.

Typo. That's been corrected and Yamato is also an Ancient way of saying "Japan".

 

[Jormungandr]

Explosives also do not like to be wet because most don't work when they're wet. The easiest way to prevent a magazine fire from turning into a magazine explosion with a mushroom cloud: flood the magazine ASAP with all the water you've got.

EDIT: When Yamato was sinking her forward magazines went "BOOM!" The resulting mushroom cloud was visible and seen from the Japanese coast.

Yup! The old cordite-based explosives used in WW1 and 2, that still litter only god knows where in Europe's dirt and the Channel? The current French and British attitudes are "let the moisture compromise the explosives so they go inert".

Unless you have certain situations (where a mine floats up, or where an artillery shell is discovered in a metropolitan area, et cetera), it's best to just leave them where they lay; let Mother Nature take its due.

 

[bintananth]

Yup! The old cordite-based explosives used in WW1 and 2, that still litter only god knows where in Europe's dirt and the Channel? The current French and British attitudes are "let the moisture compromise the explosives so they go inert".

Unless you have certain situations (where a mine floats up, or where an artillery shell is discovered in a metropolitan area, et cetera), it's best to just leave them where they lay; let Mother Nature take its due.

Zone rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's estimated that it'll take several hundred more years to completely clean up what was done during WWI.

 

[Jormungandr]

Zone rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's estimated that it'll take several hundred more years to completely clean up what was done during WWI.

Iron harvest - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Farmers even have a name for it, and those in Belgium just leave them at the edge of their fields for regular collections, like a trash pickup day, lol.

 

[Marduk]

Wunderwaffe to the rescue?

https://topwar.ru/207488-rossijskie-perspek...j-operacii.html

Apparently T-14s have been spotted near Donetsk, training up their crews ...


As to the "defective" 6 inch shells - why waterproof if they are to be fired off immediately? One of the shortcuts of wartime manufacture. Of course, the people handling the shells should be instructed to take some care about not leaving them in puddles ...

They still need to survive a trans-siberian trip and then be moved to the frontline, all under Russian wartime logistical conditions. And then correct for North Korean quality standards.

 

[Jormungandr]

They still need to survive a trans-siberian trip and then be moved to the frontline, all under Russian wartime logistical conditions. And then correct for North Korean quality standards.

Yep! So, you have shitty Nork assembly with possibly sub-par materials too, a perilous journey across inhospitable terrain (ice flows, tundra, blizzards, and even just simple rain)... to find out your shell is fucking useless because it's a sopping wet soup inside, heh.

 

[bintananth]

Iron harvest - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Farmers even have a name for it, and those in Belgium just leave them at the edge of their fields for regular collections, like a trash pickup day, lol.

There's all sorts of dangerous stuff left over from WWI and WWII buried and lurking in Europe:

Huge WWII Tallboy bomb explodes in canal in Poland | CNN

A huge bomb dropped by Britain during World War II has exploded after being discovered in a canal in Poland.

www.cnn.com

That one was about half the size of a British Grand Slam or American atomic bomb. It just sat at the bottom of a canal for decades before it went "BOOM!" while the Poles were trying to defuse and get rid of it.

 

[Jormungandr]

There's all sorts of dangerous stuff left over from WWI and WWII buried and lurking in Europe:

Huge WWII Tallboy bomb explodes in canal in Poland | CNN

A huge bomb dropped by Britain during World War II has exploded after being discovered in a canal in Poland.

www.cnn.com

That one was about half the size of a British Grand Slam or American atomic bomb. It just sat at the bottom of a canal for decades before it went "BOOM!" while the Poles were trying to defuse and get rid of it.

Yup! Apparently it's a regular thing in rivers like the Thames, the Channel, and in the North Sea for the Royal Navy to tow out old sea mines and blow them up to the point where it's not even commentated on in local news anymore.

Frightening when you think about it, but eh, life goes on.

 

[bintananth]

Yup! Apparently it's a regular thing in rivers like the Thames, the Channel, and in the North Sea for the Royal Navy to tow out old sea mines and blow them up to the point where it's not even commentated on in local news anymore.

Frightening when you think about it, but eh, life goes on.

The RAF once left a Grand Slam on display as a gate guard kids could play on for fifteen years before anyone noticed that it was live and would flatten both RAF Scrampton and the city of Lincoln if it went "BOOM!":

 

[Jormungandr]

The RAF once left a Grand Slam on display as a gate guard kids could play on for fifteen years before anyone noticed that it was live and would flatten both RAF Scrampton and the city of Lincoln if it went "BOOM!":

...To say that could have ended badly is an understatement. Fucking hell. 😮