The joke here is that Putin might actually be a secret Western agent, weakening Russia like that while also bringing Finland and Sweden into NATO.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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The joke here is that Putin might actually be a secret Western agent, weakening Russia like that while also bringing Finland and Sweden into NATO.
So you're fine with your boy Putin taking a city like this.
And turning it into this.
Yeah real dovish behavior. Good Christian folks those Soviets are. And yes I will call the Russians Soviets because they are using the old Soviet playbook.
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He might go whataboutism with Syria.So you're fine with your boy Putin taking a city like this.
And turning it into this.
Yeah real dovish behavior. Good Christian folks those Soviets are. And yes I will call the Russians Soviets because they are using the old Soviet playbook.
Then he would forfeit his argument. Because he has been claiming Russia has been absolute Doves for the past 70 years
Re: Syria: I fear that whomever replaces Assad in Syria might be worse than Assad himself is:
Christmas brings hope for peace for Aleppo’s Christians
Christians part of region’s DNA, said incoming UN secretary-general; Turkey’s “impossible war”; Erdogan backers blame Iran for Aleppo.
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At least Assad allows Christmas celebrations in Syria, after all.
Arch Dornan
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It won't stop the support. Forfeited argument or not. When people have grudges especially for countries they stick with the opposing one. Usually helps if they're the descendants of people who have been on the receiving end or witness to policies of the West that hurt them rather than help them. Vice versa for the Eastern side.
Happens most of the time with a violent change in government.Re: Syria: I fear that whomever replaces Assad in Syria might be worse than Assad himself is:
Christmas brings hope for peace for Aleppo’s Christians
Christians part of region’s DNA, said incoming UN secretary-general; Turkey’s “impossible war”; Erdogan backers blame Iran for Aleppo.
At least Assad allows Christmas celebrations in Syria, after all.
Revolutions often devour their children.
One of the most karmic moments in the Soviet Union was when Stalin purged the Old Bolsheviks en masse, thus ensuring that they would be destroyed at the hands of the very same monster-state that they had previously helped to create.Afghanistan?
Yep and the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic. Not to mention all the dirty shit the Soviets got up to on the open ocean. I mean you will be shocked the shit the Soviets pulled at sea that would have given the US good grounds to declare war on the USSR. But all of that is buried under a layer of secrecy that won't lift for 50 or more decades from now.
And Hungary 1956. And East Germany 1953.
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Floridaman
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The blue saltire on the red field is a historical standard of the Russian navy, similar flags were used as far back as 1700.Novorossiya's flag looks similar to that of the Confederacy (but without the stars) lol:
RUSSIAN NAVY ENSIGNS 1700-1917
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Interesting; so, the Confederacy "stole" it from them.
This variant Novorossiya flag is even cooler:
Floridaman
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Not really, the blue saltire on the red background was developed because all the other confederate flags looked to similar to the Union flag at a distance, and so they developed a more distinct one. Also since the Russian czar backed the Union the confederacy wasn’t going to copy them.Interesting; so, the Confederacy "stole" it from them.
This variant Novorossiya flag is even cooler:
Interesting; thanks for this information.
BTW, does the Donbass remind you of Upper Silesia? A heavily industrial and resource-rich region that was historically divided and with mixed loyalties?
Floridaman
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Well yes, but that is nothing new. The frontier of empires always resembles that. You would even see similar features on the US Mexico border.
I think that what this indicates is that Mexico's 1847 peace proposal (in blue on the map below) to end the Mexican-American War was correct and that the US overreached in grabbing too much Mexican territory in that war:
Too late to change this now, obviously, since life for Mexicans here in the US is much better than it is in Mexico.
Floridaman
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not really, the frontier there is too valuable to give up, and besides the populace integrated very well. (Personally I would have preferred the Ultimas proposal there. besides moving the border would only move the green regions you showed. the Donbass is the way it is partially because the populace were heavily Russian nationalist (they sided with the whites during the Russian civil war)
I think that what this indicates is that Mexico's 1847 peace proposal (in blue on the map below) to end the Mexican-American War was correct and that the US overreached in grabbing too much Mexican territory in that war:
Too late to change this now, obviously, since life for Mexicans here in the US is much better than it is in Mexico.
5% of Russian Army Soldiers Who Took Part in the War Are Dead
Kind of a big deal when you can't conscript to make up the losses
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178 Days of the War That Was "Won in the First 3 Days"
Nearly 6 months into the Russian-Ukrainian war Ukraine still holds a part of Donbass. More than that, Ukraine still holds a part of the old 2014-2022 contact line. Including in the immediate vicinity of Donetsk city. Not only has Russia not yet completed the capture of Donbass, in some places it...
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Russians at the Gates of Kiev: Victims of an Almost-Success
Too far to go back, too far to go forward
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