planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
"I cannot possibly refute this so I will ignore it."
Nice sperg bro.
Begone, illiterate.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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"I cannot possibly refute this so I will ignore it."
Begone, illiterate.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
"Well ACKSHUALLY Russia won because they mass-murdered tens of thousands of people!" is one hell of a fucking take.
And given how often shit in Russia is catching on fire, and Ukraine likely bringing Belgorod into long artillery range soon, I wouldn't lay good odds on it being all one-sided for long.
True - but Moscov forces never fought modern army with artillery,too.
Why exactly would a US President who wanted to pull the US out of NATO be willing to risk nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine?
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Foreign volunteers are far more useful and impactful in terms of their knowledge than their direct combat contribution. I remember seeing a BBC documentary on UK citizens volunteering to fight with the Kurds against ISIS. They took one look at a particular UK volunteer - a veteran in his 40s - and asked him to forget about dragging his greying ass into high intensity infantry combat and instead help train young Kurdish soldiers on the Milan missile system. They had plenty of missiles supplied by NATO, but the bottleneck was in training new operators. When NATO trains other nations on how to use their weapons, they train not the final operators, but a batch of high-quality guys (officers with some intellect, esp. training officers/warrant officers etc.) to create a training cohort who's job is to train a bigger cohort of trainers while they also train actual end-users of the system. US veteran volunteers are training Ukrainians in the techniques and tactics required to get the most out of the Javelin missile system right now in Ukraine; there's a big WSJ article about it.
So the copenicks can jerk their pricks all day long about one (1) sniper leaving the AO after six weeks in high intensity combat (which means he's definitely due for some R&R,) because it doesn't actually reflect where the real impact of Western support lies. The West is helping Ukraine improve its armies' capabilities at-scale, not with a handful of "special forces" that are only good for propaganda purposes - like those Chechen clowns hipfiring while Aloha Snackbar'ing as their President does drunken livestreams and prays at gas stations in Chechnya or whatever bullshit he's doing now.
Because Trump knew how to deal with strongmen like Putin; they only respect strength and the will to use it.
Remember, it was also Trump who started providing lethal aid to Ukraine, over the objections of the Dems.
He also attempted to withhold this aid for political gain:
Trump Resisted Sale of Javelins to Ukraine
Republicans are defending him in the impeachment inquiry by saying he gave more military aid than his predecessor, but it came only after the reluctant…
foreignpolicy.com
He withheld it to see if the Ukrainians would actually pay for the shit; they did, and the Javelin's started showing up pretty soon after that.He also attempted to withhold this aid for political gain:
Trump Resisted Sale of Javelins to Ukraine
Republicans are defending him in the impeachment inquiry by saying he gave more military aid than his predecessor, but it came only after the reluctant…
He also wanted the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens for Burisma.
Yes, which he should have, given the grift and corruption connected to the Biden's and Burisma, as the shit on Hunter's laptop, and other evidence, has repeatedly proved.
Pelosi's kid also was part of it, which is why Pelosi pushed the impeachment hoax to cover up any investigations into the corruptions he kid was a part of.
These are Russian nationalist Anatoly Karlin's thoughts on the Ukraine invasion:
I'd be willing to take his claims much more seriously if he himself was personally willing to fight in Ukraine. The idea that it's somehow absolutely crucial whether Russia has 145 million or 180 million people is downright bizarre. By that logic, all that makes the difference between permanent chronic decline and permanent superpowerdom for the US is whether the US successfully manages to conquer Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and their combined 70 million people!
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It does help a lot when governments get fully involved to train them they can train over the border.
The social media reliant veterans I am doubtful of but they're some very fool hardy ones that are eager to get back into the fight after getting a faceful of shrapnel.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
These are Russian nationalist Anatoly Karlin's thoughts on the Ukraine invasion:
the US successfully manages to conquer Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and their combined 70 million people!
The US should conquer Canada for the sole purpose of making the borders look better.
Trump seemed pretty serious about withdrawing, though:
Trump was planning to withdraw US from Nato and ditch South Korea alliance, according to new book
‘Yeah, the second term. We’ll do it in the second term,’ then-president reportedly said
www.independent.co.uk
Allies and Former U.S. Officials Fear Trump Could Seek NATO Exit in a Second Term (Published 2020)
President Trump is said to have spoken privately for years about withdrawing from the alliance, a move that critics say would be a major victory for Russia.
Which Pelosi kid? Alexandra?
If we conquered Canada, then we'd have to deal with Quebec; no thank you.
Bassoe
Well-known member
Let's be realistic, they're glorified bait to create pro-intervention propaganda for domestic consumption. “Russia killed ________ citizens, we must retaliate!” Thing is, we’d prefer the entire crowd of marvel-brained nitwits get themselves killed than start a nuclear apocalypse which would kill us.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Maybe I'm not listening to the right people, but I haven't heard a peep about the deaths of volunteer fighters from countries other than Ukraine being particularly outrageous, escalatory, a stain on national honor that must/should/could be avenged in blood, etc.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
You have to dig harder.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I couldn't agree MORE !