Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Agent23]

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Um, the whole idea of drones is to have them built with the cheapest, most readily available components in the first place.
THE TB2 drone uses an engine from a kit plane, basically.

Also, if you want electronics to be anti-radiation hardened you can't go below a certain nm size, something like 45 IIRC.
Check what the nm manufacturing process used for the IBM cpus the US military uses for example.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAD5500

 

[Marduk]

I think the reason the invasion happened now is because the draftable age population in Russia is only getting smaller, and the longer Putin waited to initiate any large military operations the fewer troops he'd have. If he waited even a year his number of usable conscripts would be significantly lower than it is now.

And yet he still went into this without full mobilization because he underestimated the other side.
As such i think it was a minor concern at most.
I think the bigger concern was the clock ticking on Ukraine's drift away from dependence and closeness with Russia, economic, cultural, geopolitical, and also Putin's ratings in Russia's post-corona crisis to be covered by a short, successful war - which it was meant to be, but it didn't turn out to be, many such histories.

The oil in Donbass and Crimea, along with the rich farmlands and nuclear power stations, meant if Putin could blyatkrieg his way to Kyiv is a few days and install a friendly gov, he could get a lot of returns for a relatively small amount of force.

He and his cronies obviously. In terms of national economy, its a rust belt that needs a whole lot of investment to be worthwhile some decades later, assuming it doesn't get pissed away, which in Russian world means pockets of pro-Putin oligarchs.

The Russian's have already devolved back to the 'denouncement for treason as petty revenge' shit internally and they cannot make their newer weapons systems because Taiwan is not selling chips to them anymore. Their only tank manufacturer shut down, because Russia imported most of their components from other countries; some of their tank guns came from France, for example.

Guns? No way. Thermal imaging gear of all sorts, including for tanks and fighters, was the big deal France wise.

 

[Zachowon]

Interesting little video with a NATO consultant analyzing things like Bucha and how the USA and the west west in general basically did everything in its power to goad Russia into this.
Zelenski is a powerless puppet, and if he pisses off the Nezi morons in the country it is off with his head.
Oh, and he reiterates the same ideas stated before by multiple sources about Russia's objectives and mode of warfare.
But hey, the Usual Suspects and armchair idiots will probably ree and disregard it, so I wonder why I even bother.

How did NATO goad Putin.

 

[paulobrito]

How did NATO goad Putin.

Probably, leaking Ukrainian plans to invade the Dombass in the very near future. To convince Russia to do the same that Israel do in 67.
Other than that, i have to credible clue.

 

[Zachowon]

Probably, leaking Ukrainian plans to invade the Dombass in the very near future. To convince Russia to do the same that Israel do in 67.
Other than that, i have to credible clue.

So doing what should have been done is the wrong thing?

 

[paulobrito]

Hey, you asked how NATO goaded Putin, i presented the only possible way that i consider credible.
Not talking about right or wrong.

 

[Marduk]

Probably, leaking Ukrainian plans to invade the Dombass in the very near future. To convince Russia to do the same that Israel do in 67.
Other than that, i have to credible clue.

LMAO, that completely doesn't fit with Russian preparations. Could have concentrated forces behind that region then and jump in with a perfect cassus belli, decent PR and fairly effective counter-attack.
This theory implies Russian leadership, by falling for that in such a big way, are even bigger idiots than they turned to be in reality.

 

[Agent23]

Hey, you asked how NATO goaded Putin, i presented the only possible way that i consider credible.
Not talking about right or wrong.

Giving Zelenski weapons and money and running international media interference for him, not pushing Zelenski to adhere to the Minsk agreement, disregard the fact that the neonazi idiots in Ukraine are pulling Zelenski's strings and holding a gun to his head.
Never stating publicly that Ukraine can not enter NATO while knowing that it will never happen.
Turning a blind eye to the Ukrainian regime shelling the Donbass and killing civilians.
Sanctioning and attacking Russia publicly and repeatedly, even before the start of the war.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Someone made a nice 'Ghost of Kyiv' Scenario for Digital Combat Simulation 3.0.



Things get cinematic about twenty six minutes in though. Them last four kills... and two emergency landings. Looks like the most dangerous aspect is landing on the highway multiple times without hitting any cows.

 

[Marduk]

Iron law of Russian propaganda projection, textbook case study:

Giving Zelenski weapons and money and running international media interference for him, not pushing Zelenski to adhere to the Minsk agreement,

Russia gave weapons and even direct support to the separatists while pretending not to and propagandizing about nazis, massacres and other ridiculous things, culimating in a bad faith deal that was meant to give Russia an indirect veto into Ukrainian affairs.

Also hilarious how everyone has forgotten that Poroshenko was more hardline anti-Russia than Zelensky who was more of a compromise candidate. Thankfully dealing with Kremlin's policy up close has cured him of that delusion in short order.
Almost as hilarious as whining that the west is not encouraging its friends to surrender to Russia swiftly and throughly enough.

disregard the fact that the neonazi idiots in Ukraine are pulling Zelenski's strings and holding a gun to his head.

Silovki rule in Russia, hence the projection that the closest thing to effective military force in 2014 took over in Ukraine - Azov. Also they are "nazis" because they don't want to be Moscow's serfs and assimilate to Russian nation. Yes, that's the political line in Kremlin now.

Never stating publicly that Ukraine can not enter NATO while knowing that it will never happen.

West is dastardly and evil because it won't help Kremlin corral independent states into Kremlin's sphere of influence, on top of that those evil schemers advertise their own, how conniving.
Here's some pro advice, Russia needs to stop sucking and start with making itself look like an example of governance someone other than North Korea or Zimbabwe could be jealous of. Then perhaps it won't need to whine that the competing powers aren't helping them pacify rebellious puppet states who want to switch sides.

Turning a blind eye to the Ukrainian regime shelling the Donbass and killing civilians.

Kremlin regularly turns a blind eye to its pet separatist warlords ruling their lands like some kind of hybrid of an African militia and North Korea, complete with shelling Ukraine and killing civilians.

Sanctioning and attacking Russia publicly and repeatedly, even before the start of the war.

Russia is attacking other countries in every way possible, depending on what it can get away with in specific cases. Even before the start of the war.

 

[Agent23]

Strange, it is as if somebody is trying to talk to me in this thread, but my eyes, they see nothing:

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[Marduk]

Strange, it is as if somebody is trying to talk to me in this thread, but my eyes, they see nothing:

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Makes me think you did in fact see something.
Makes me happy that i've reduced one of biggest Russia shill in the thread to this:

 

[paulobrito]

Children, behave.

 

[Agent23]

Children, behave.

Ooh, boy, is he bitching about me devising a way to ignore his nonsense?
I know he is quoting my posts, I am just too lazy to play around and have the script delete the alerts as opposed to just his posts in the threads I have blacklisted.

 

[Zachowon]

Children, behave.

Let the Balkans have thoer fun

 

[Cherico]

Let the Balkans have thoer fun

are you sure about that?

 

[Battlegrinder]

Boy are you going to be disappointed soon when the russians apply deep battle to the donbass and you see just who is spreading who.

I don't really find "ah, well, we just decided to scrap the doctrine and just do whatever we wanted for the first month, because reasons. But now, after a month of heavy casualties and serious equipment loses, we're going to get serious, any day now we'll finally start winning this, which we didn't do the first time for some reason".

Even if we ignore all information and assume the withdrawal from Kyiv wasn't a humiliating defeat and it was actually some 4d chess double feint, the alleged idea was to draw Ukrainian reserves away from the real attack in the east. That hasn't happened, the Russians fled Kyiv like a week ago and haven't gotten those units into position in the east, nor have they made any real progress on that front at all, and because of that delay the Ukrainians have also had the time to resupply and redeploy their forces, which meansxthis whole maneuver accomplished nothing for the Russians.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

If you believe that, i have bridges to sell you.

That's the thing isn't it, he just believes everything the Western msm says about this war. But apparently we're supposed to trust his instincts for what to do to "fix" the American Right. 🤔

 

[Zachowon]

That's the thing isn't it, he just believes everything the Western msm says about this war. But apparently we're supposed to trust his instincts for what to do to "fix" the American Right. 🤔

I mean the American MSM has been more correct then the Russian.
One should note that majority of the American MSM are supported by the Ukrainians and majority of the world

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

I mean the American MSM has been more correct then the Russian.

"correct" isn't the term I'd use.





"better at lying" perhaps.

majority of the world

The anglosphere and western Europe aren't "the majority of the world" broski.