Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

Can you link to or otherwise share the planefag stuff? Would love to see his take.

I think this is it.

Spoiler

 

[strunkenwhite]

I am talking about the astroturfed online support.
Well, part of it, anyway, the rest is virtue signalling by the same mentally-deffective cucks that gave us the Orange man bad, the, the COVID/vaxx hysteria,the BLM riots, etc.
My english ain't stellar but this is the 2nd time you misunderstand my posts?!!?

"the blatantly obvious astroturfed crap that comes out of Zelenski's mouth"
I salute your multilingualism but don't try to lay this on me.

 

[Vaermina]

Oh, and also your artsy media boyfriend is running out of fuel and repair facilities, since Russia blew those up.

Source "Russia Ministry of Defense"

Source "Ukraine Ministry of Defense"

That's sure two trustworthy sources you got there... (If you can't tell, this is sarcasm.)

 

[prinCZess]

Come on, half the posters in this thread consider Ukrainian propaganda to be immaculate truth. Hell some still believe the Ghost of Kiev is real.

Doing a search, two people in the thread seem to have vaguely defended 'Ghost of Kiev'--both by defending not the actual factual definite, inarguable existence, but the plausibility of a Flanker pilot downing helicopters/transport-planes or frogfoot ground-support craft in sufficient numbers to make ace considering the pace of Russian attacks (particularly helicopters ones int he earlier days). And the most recent such 'defense' was a week ago.

Every other mention seems to come from folks referencing it the same way you are as evidence of how everyone and their dog totally and completely believes everything Ukraine claims. And while that may be true elsewhere...Doesn't hold up here.

Also, this criticism of propaganda-belief only works rightly when you acknowledge it's universal nature (and/or the universal nature of fog of war). There's folks in-thread who were quite strident in arguing Kiev was going to fall in mere days over the first weeks of the war, or that Ukraine units in the Donbas were totally getting encircled, or that Russia was capturing (inferior and ineffective) anti-tank weapons in such numbers as to adopt them into regular use for their separatist militias (which seems a cruel joke to play on the people, but obviously it's some kind of genius maneuver)...Or, for that matter, that Russia was totally not going to invade, to go earlier.

 

[Agent23]

"the blatantly obvious astroturfed crap that comes out of Zelenski's mouth"
I salute your multilingualism but don't try to lay this on me.

Oops, might have been too eager to hit enter, but when one is pounding the ree piniata one might get a bit overly-enthusiastic and place a few bad blows.

 

[Agent23]

Come on, half the posters in this thread consider Ukrainian propaganda to be immaculate truth. Hell some still believe the Ghost of Kiev is real.

And Snake Island, and all those allegedly dead Russian generals.
And dozens of other things.

 

[Battlegrinder]

And Snake Island, and all those allegedly dead Russian generals.
And dozens of other things.

Snake Island is the same "fog of war rumor from week one that hasn't been brought up since then, except to troll russiaboos" category as the Ghost.

I don't think there's been any dispute from Russia about thier general's taking casualties, there was some back and forth over some chechen milita dude that was reported dead, but I don't recall if he was reported dead by the Ukrainian military or just RUMINT, but actual Russian military officers that have been said to be dead appear to be staying dead.

 

[Agent23]

Snake Island is the same "fog of war rumor from week one that hasn't been brought up since then, except to troll russiaboos" category as the Ghost.

I don't think so, it was an outright lie that popularized a certain phrase and that got astroturfed to very high visibility.

I don't think there's been any dispute from Russia about thier general's taking casualties, there was some back and forth over some chechen milita dude that was reported dead, but I don't recall if he was reported dead by the Ukrainian military or just RUMINT, but actual Russian military officers that have been said to be dead appear to be staying dead.

That was Kadirov trolling, he is the only one in the whole Russian higher echelon atm who is not a soviet boomer and can into social media.
I doubt the rest give a shit or even use twitter on their own, as opposed to having their press gopher push updates from speeches and the like there.

Remind me, did the US DoD or whatever tweet videos of that general that was allegedly at Azovstal saying hello and holding today's paper?

 

[Battlegrinder]

I don't think so, it was an outright lie that popularized a certain phrase and that got astroturfed to very high visibility.

I have no idea if it was a lie or bad information or faulty translation or embellishment, and I don't really care. "Astroturfed" implies that the spread was faked and that the initial belief in it was not genuine, which seems improbable, it's not particularly odd stories about this sort of thing to go viral. Lots of people heard about Alexander Prokhorenko.

Remind me, did the US DoD or whatever tweet videos of that general that was allegedly at Azovstal saying hello and holding today's paper?

No, I don't think the the US DOD feels any need to discredit some random guy on the internet, particularly since the claim that a general assigned to a completely different part of the world just so happened to be captured in company of the one unit of the Ukrainian military that Russia has a monomanical obsession with does plenty to discredit itself.

If the Russian government or another high profile source was claiming that, then they'd probably issue a denial if only to make them look bad. Which is another reason it's odd Russia hasn't done that. Yeah, maybe all thier general's are old boomers who can't figure out how to get onto the internet, but Russia's entire PR strategy is paint Ukraine as corrupt, dishonest, and full of nazis (hence the focus on Azov). You yourself demonstrate this, with you constant obsession over Azov, insisting the pro Ukrainian side here is just a bunch of guys going "woo, Ghost of Kyiv will own everyone" and strange habit of confusing the concept of "fighting in an city that has civilians in it" with "using human shields". If Russia could just fire off a message going "Yeah Ukraine is lying again that guy isn't dead", they don't appear to have any reason to refrain from doing so.

 

[planefag]

Russia bad, Russia evil, war against Russia at all costs good.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Haven't seen the TikTok battalion shooting at empty buildings in awhile.

 

[Agent23]

Ok, time for more new Russian Armamentwaifus.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Haven't seen the TikTok battalion shooting at empty buildings in awhile.

I posted this the other day.



These were over a few days ago but I didn't post it because it was repetitive by that point





Today they've let those lazy Russian Naval Infantry pick up the slack while they practice close quarters combat

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I posted this the other day.



These were over a few days ago but I didn't post it because it was repetitive by that point





Today they've let those lazy Russian Naval Infantry pick up the slack while they practice close quarters combat

These clowns are funny but also guilty of incredible amounts of wasted ammo and property damage all in an effort to look tough.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

If you believe that, i have bridges to sell you.

 

[Vaermina]

To reiterate.

 

[planefag]

Come on, half the posters in this thread consider Ukrainian propaganda to be immaculate truth. Hell some still believe the Ghost of Kiev is real.

So what if he is? A single pilot knocking down a few helicopters and a Frogfoot or two isn't that big a deal, but people act as if Ukrainians are saying he's flying around without a plane laying waste to the entire VKS with lightning bolts fired from his cock or something.

 

[JagerIV]

Exactly, and the Russians were rather good at making Kiev into a diversion with all those "40 km long vehicle columns" the west was on about.
The problem is that everyone accustomed to the US way of Shock and Awe war, myself included, has forgotten the ideas of Clausewitz, particularly that war is a continuation of politics.
Well, Russia's political objectives are recognition for the Donbass and Crimea, demilitarization and removal of nazi anti-Russia elements and keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer.
The unstated objective is probably a landbridge to Crimea and perhaps taking Southern Ukraine with Odessa since that is a very important city for Russian historic reasons, it also cuts off Rump Ukraine from the sea.
If the Zelenski regime keeps foot-dragging they will probably lose more of the east, too, now that the long-term fighting ability of the Ukrainians is destroyed and their best front-line units in the East are about to get annihilated.

Yeah, if they are setting up for a "permanent" peace, rather than a 6 month ceasefire before resuming hostilities, if they had the strength to launch a final offensive before peace, trying to push to the Romanian border and take the whole coastline would be a more ideal "end state".

It makes the black sea closer to a Russian lake, and it puts them in a better position to exercise influence in the Balkans as necessary. Either doing something in Madolva, maybe setting up a "fuck Romania" coalition of Hungary, Serbia, and Bulgaria, maybe taking Romania's Sea access so the black sea is only Russia and friends and Turkey. If Serbia needs anything, they just need Romania or Hungary sign on for moving equipment there. Any successful Balkan chess moves then, in the case of any major Russian/Turkish war becomes necessary, they might be able to position some troops a mere 200 km from Istanbul, while if Iran and Syria are kept on side means Russia could have Turkey surrounded, and could then nuter Turkey through breaking off a Kurdistan and adding crucial territory to all its allies.

And if all that worked out, well, having the two Slavic Balkan states on side and able to be directly supported and breaking Turkey would be achieving Russia's long term security goals.

Taking the rest of the coastline thus would be quite benifitical to Russian long term security goals.

If they have the manpower or long term strength to do any of that is a completely separate thing, but if they could take the coastline, that does seem to be the option that gives them the most long term options.

 

[Chiron]

A retired US Army Artilleryman explains the reality of a Russian BTG and how it works. He is posting regular threads now, getting years of frustrations with S2s, failed generals, and utter US Military Incompetence being swept under the rug, off his chest. He very much despises the @Zachowon types.

Coda: if the Russian Army is an artillery army with a lot of tanks, the US Army is an infantry army with a lot of helicopters.

The Doc explains how the Ukraine War has destroyed the food supply and there is no going back. Famines are inevitable.

The Duran on the events in Ukraine.

Alright I'm off to bed.

 

[Chiron]

Is there any evidence for the crematoriums? Other than people saying so? It implies way too much planning on what has otherwise been an very badly planned operation. It just doesn't fit.

By what standard? In fact, your standard is irrelevant. The Russians have their own doctrine and strategy which they have openly stated and have a long military history paved in bloody victory. If you don't believe them, they care not. They win their wars and victory ends all arguments. At the end of the day, if your enemy is partying in your bases, drinking your vodka, and screwing your women, you lost no matter your arguments.