Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Megadeath]

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Yes, they never intended to land at Odessa, its mere threat served to tie down valuable UkA reserves and waste resources there. Kherson's fall made it more believable. Once the UkA realized it had been had, the Odessa Feint Forces unloaded and redeployed.

The drive for Odessa continues. With Kherson secured, Mykolaiv is next.

 

[Marduk]

You think they care one iota about what Kyiv says? They don't, they will simply have a "referendum," set up a new security force of collaborators and flip off the rest of the world which will forget about it in time.

One of the goals for government takeover is to get the non-toady countries to legally recognize the Crimea takeover, which, alongside any other takeovers needs a rubberstamp from Kyiv to be even remotely doable.
Note that not even the great frenemy China has recognized the Crimea takeover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Crimea#Other_positions

Not in the north though, the Russians didn't set up collaborators to run things.

Of course they didn't, the money for them disappeared

The north never received the support the South got as they were never intended to hold. Russia has completely different objectives and a different way of doing things. Your opinions are irrelevant to them, how many wars have you won?

Having less objectives is not different objectives.

None.

Probably more than you lol.

Russia's Generals have won in Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Syria and a number of other policing actions. They know what they are doing and are executing their plan.

War in Syria still going on, keks open more wars regardless, they don't even learn from own history.
They know that they can bully tiny ex-colonies with populations in single digit millions but it turned out those methods work well only on appropriately bite sized snacks and using them on anything bigger risks choking.

The bulk of the VDV is in the south. And yes Russia would use the VDV for this purpose as a matter of historical and doctrinal reasons. Even then, the bulk of the VDV deployed for Kyiv Operations made it out and are now on the Kharkiv Front. They did the historical job they were meant for in accordance with doctrine born of WW2.

Then their doctrine is outdated. Single use VDV has relevance in WW3, because the next war will be fought with sticks and rocks. In a conventional war with longer perspective and limited resources? That's just wasteful.

Yes, they never intended to land at Odessa, its mere threat served to tie down valuable UkA reserves and waste resources there. Kherson's fall made it more believable. Once the UkA realized it had been had, the Odessa Feint Forces unloaded and redeployed.

US Marines did the same in the First Gulf War.

Or they could have used them on Mariupol front earlier but noooo, they prefer being stuck there....

 

[Megadeath]

I have seen, and posted, enough pictures of Mariupol getting cleared building by building, the problem is that the nazis are like cockroaches, hard to stomp out.

Pictures of individual buildings being cleared doesn't somehow preclude calling in artillery and air strikes, moron. The fact that, right in front of your eyes if you just open them, are pictures of buildings and even entire streets in ruins is kinda irrefutable proof that they are.

Whether that's necessary to achieve military victory against an established and tenacious defence in an urban environment is immaterial to the fact that you claimed they weren't doing it. FFS, everytime you say something in this thread, it's proven wrong either immediately or soon after, and you just change your claim, insist it's all according to a plan that you obviously couldn't have any idea about even if there was one, and insult everyone's intelligence with your moronic shilling. I'd hope the Russians pay you well, but it'd probably be in Rubles so all you can buy is potatoes and stolen Ukrainian shit.

 

[Chiron]

Comrades steal another Taliban Nasheed.



A Comrade shows off an interesting find.



More advances.



Pictures from areas taken south of Izium.

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All part of selling the feint. This drive was never given enough resources to succeed and last as long as it did due to the Odessa Feint tying down sufficient UkA forces. Once the feint was no longer necessary, the Russians hunkered down in a secure lodgment till High Command either reinforces them or has them begin pinning attacks as Donbass is cleared.

 

[Agent23]

One of the goals for government takeover is to get the non-toady countries to legally recognize the Crimea takeover, which, alongside any other takeovers needs a rubberstamp from Kyiv to be even remotely doable.


Of course they didn't, the money for them disappeared



Having less objectives is not different objectives.


Probably more than you lol.


War in Syria still going on, keks open more wars regardless, they don't even learn from own history.
They know that they can bully tiny ex-colonies with populations in single digit millions but it turned out those methods work well only on appropriately bite sized snacks and using them on anything bigger risks choking.

The bulk of the VDV is in the south. And yes Russia would use the VDV for this purpose as a matter of historical and doctrinal reasons. Even then, the bulk of the VDV deployed for Kyiv Operations made it out and are now on the Kharkiv Front. They did the historical job they were meant for in accordance with doctrine born of WW2.


Yes, they never intended to land at Odessa, its mere threat served to tie down valuable UkA reserves and waste resources there. Kherson's fall made it more believable. Once the UkA realized it had been had, the Odessa Feint Forces unloaded and redeployed.

US Marines did the same in the First Gulf War.

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Hey, genius, fix your quotes and reply to each properly!

 

[Megadeath]

Comrades steal another Taliban Nasheed.



A Comrade shows off an interesting find.



More advances.



Pictures from areas taken south of Izium.



All part of selling the feint. This drive was never given enough resources to succeed and last as long as it did due to the Odessa Feint tying down sufficient UkA forces. Once the feint was no longer necessary, the Russians hunkered down in a secure lodgment till High Command either reinforces them or has them begin pinning attacks as Donbass is cleared.

An indication that Odessa landings may be near or a ramp up in escalation to force surrenders.

Odessa's fall means US Chip Manufacturing is Kaput



More reason to stay out of the conflict and crack down on the Billionaire Class here at home by seizing their assets and re-industrializing with the seized assets if they don't play ball.

Also seems Russian Forces are working to clear the Kherson Estuary so the Russian Navy can move in and support the attack on Mykolaiv and begin the attack on Odessa.

Russia is reinforcing the Kherson Front to continue the likely push on Odessa and Transnistria.

 

[Battlegrinder]

@Chiron, everything you're saying could very be accurate and map out to what Russia is really doing (it isn't, but it theoretical could be). The problem is that in the best case scenario, you're working off the same open source intel as the rest of us, but keep taking everything they say at 100% face value and repeat it in definitive terms, so when OSINT gets duped by Russia's totally real and completely non-cope 4D chess double feint tactical genius, you get duped too, and it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about when the situation changes.

 

[paulobrito]

@Chiron, everything you're saying could very be accurate and map out to what Russia is really doing (it isn't, but it theoretical could be). The problem is that in the best case scenario, you're working off the same oprn source intel as the rest of us, but keep taking everything they say at 100% face value and repeat in definitively, so when OSINT gets duped by Russia's totally real and completely non-cope 4D chess double feint tactical genius, you get duped too, and it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about when the situation changes.

That also works for the other side. Both sides have been caught lying time and again. Like in any other war, to be fair.

 

[Battlegrinder]

That also works for the other side. Both sides have been caught lying time and again. Like in any other war, to be fair.

Yes, but I don't think anyone here has been constantly reposting claims from the Ukrainians as definitive fact, while it's a constant thing from pro-russian posters.

 

[Agent23]

@Chiron, everything you're saying could very be accurate and map out to what Russia is really doing (it isn't, but it theoretical could be). The problem is that in the best case scenario, you're working off the same oprn source intel as the rest of us, but keep taking everything they say at 100% face value and repeat in definitively, so when OSINT gets duped by Russia's totally real and completely non-cope 4D chess double feint tactical genius, you get duped too, and it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about when the situation changes.

Not really, Intel Slava Z are probably Russian, but I am pretty sure that they and ASB military are very far off plantation where the Western consensus, meaning social media, news agencies, deep state and the reeing internet masses are concerned.

TBH Chiron has been spot on and provided far better analysis than the majority of Armchair Generals scurrying around here.

 

[paulobrito]

Yes, but I don't think anyone here has been constantly reposting claims from the Ukrainians as definitive fact, while it's a constant thing from pro-russian posters.

You are joking, right?

 

[Agent23]

You are joking, right?

I kinda stopped giving a shit about Uki news sources after the whole Ghost of Kiev/Snake Island fiasco.
And the fact that Zelenski managed to prove he is either deranged or puppeteered by deranged people and foreign interests that don't give a shit about the Ukraine.
And the SBU trying to take out CRP.

 

[Battlegrinder]

You are joking, right?

No, I'm not. To my recollection, the most credulous pro Ukraine sources have mostly been framed as "Ukraine says X" or "claims X" rather than "Ukraine has done X", or are just reposting snipets of information and not trying to deduced an entire battle plan based on stitching them all together. Planefag is the only one that I've seen doing the latter, and his conclusions generally seem to be holding up better than the pro-russian side.

 

[TheRejectionist]

You repeating something already discovered to be Russian disinformation doesn't suddenly make it true...

Do you have better jokes

Reinforcements from V and O continue to show up, now with markings corrected.



More weapons showing up and being collected.



Fight for the port coming up, here the remnants of the Marines, Special Forces, Naval Troops etc, will make their stand.

Spoiler: Bodies shown, watch with caution

UkA bodies are stacking up in DPR/LPR morgues, Ukraine has so far refused to take the bodies back.



Comrades, a soldier of the 150th Rifle, Order of Kutuzov 2nd class, Idritsa Division, 79th Rifle Corps, 3rd Shock Army, 1st Byelorussian Front poses for the camera as the de-Nazification of Ukraine continues.

Glad the Russians didn't give up yet.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Come on, half the posters in this thread consider Ukrainian propaganda to be immaculate truth. Hell some still believe the Ghost of Kiev is real.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Who said anything about trusting Russian media? Literal Dem talking point, false dichotomy. This is about staying aloof of MSM lies and thinking for oneself. Of course this time the prevailing assumptions about how they frame things were wrong in this case, yeah. And the matter of credibility? On a small anonymous forum? Seems like overthinking to me.

The fact is that we who are here necessarily form opinions about the credibility of other people's opinions. That's not overthinking but simply a fact of life.

What should I be pushing, the NY times, the Washington Compost, the blatantly obvious astroturfed crap that comes out of Zelenski's mouth and the Ukrainian propaganda organizations?

Can you explain how the words of the President of Ukraine could possibly be astroturfed? How are you defining that term?

Exactly, and the Russians were rather good at making Kiev into a diversion with all those "40 km long vehicle columns" the west was on about.

What distracts the MSM does not necessarily distract the Ukrainian military or US intelligence. The army doesn't take marching orders from CNN, and if you think it does then you have my pity.

 

[GoldRanger]

Really

The Russians are pocketing and destroying the Ukrainian Army in detail. This is over except for the screaming.

Can't wait to hear your excuse for how the "quick pocketing" (that lasted a month) ended up resulting in complete Russian withdrawal from all the area around Kiev.

Let me guess, "that was part of the plan all along" or "it's just a temporary tactical withdrawal" and then the "quick pocketing" can resume, right? It's still all over but the screaming, right?

Edit: Ah, I see the current Putin's bitches' line is "it was a diversion all along". Can't wait to see what else turns out to be "just a diversion all along, they didn't REALLY want to attack" next.

 

[GoldRanger]

No, I'm not. To my recollection, the most credulous pro Ukraine sources have mostly been framed as "Ukraine says X" or "claims X" rather than "Ukraine has done X", or are just reposting snipets of information and not trying to deduced an entire battle plan based on stitching them all together. Planefag is the only one that I've seen doing the latter, and his conclusions generally seem to be holding up better than the pro-russian side.

Can you link to or otherwise share the planefag stuff? Would love to see his take.

 

[Agent23]

Can you explain how the words of the President of Ukraine could possibly be astroturfed? How are you defining that term?

I am talking about the astroturfed online support.
Well, part of it, anyway, the rest is virtue signalling by the same mentally-deffective cucks that gave us the Orange man bad, the, the COVID/vaxx hysteria,the BLM riots, etc.
My english ain't stellar but this is the 2nd time you misunderstand my posts?!!?

 

[Battlegrinder]

Can you link to or otherwise share the planefag stuff? Would love to see his take.

I don't have a saved link, but he's posted links to it every now and then in the war news thread, if you search his posts it should be there.