Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[paulobrito]

pictures - a thing that every one of us - with a very low budget can fake, right?
Not a body, not DNA samples, nothing serious - just the easiest of fakes - pictures?
How gullible you are?

 

[Captain X]

pictures - a thing that every one of us - with a very low budget can fake, right?
Not a body, not DNA samples, nothing serious - just the easiest of fakes - pictures?
How gullible you are?

If it was faked, why hasn't AQ or the Taliban, or anyone else, for that matter, simply provided proof of that themselves? They would have every motivation to do so, as it would be an embarrassment to the US.

 

[sillygoose]

Well, how would you rate things? To my mind, it's blatantly obvious that no nation on earth can hope to match the American armed forces in conventional warfare.

Theoretically yes the US is the ultimate world army man for man...problem is they need to ship forces to whatever battle zone in the world they need to go, which is a practical limit on what they can achieve against enemy militaries, especially large ones. Fighting Russia in their backyard would be impossible for the US with conventional weapons unless there was mass mobilization and the conflict went on for years. Same with China.

 

[paulobrito]

Because OBL has been dead long ago, the body was entombed in the mountains. Just remember - the guy has several renal problems, needs dialysis every day, and you think that can be provided in the mountains, under bombardment?
Is just one more of so many US lies.
Because they have so many ethical problems to show us the bodies of Saddam and Gadaffy, right? Oh, wait...

 

[Captain X]

Because OBL has been dead long ago, the body was entombed in the mountains. Just remember - the guy has several renal problems, needs dialysis every day, and you think that can be provided in the mountains, under bombardment?
Is just one more of so many US lies.
Because they have so many ethical problems to show us the bodies of Saddam and Gadaffy, right? Oh, wait...

Which still would have been pretty easy for them to show and embarrass the US with.

 

[paulobrito]

Which still would have been pretty easy for them to show and embarrass the US with.

Only if they have access to the body - what part of entombed you don't understand?

 

[Doomsought]

This is what happens when retarded liberal ideologies are left to run foreign policy.

The problem is anti-colonialism.

Rebuilding a conquered country as a future ally requires engaging in blatantly colonialist activities. Hell, just restoring order after a conquest requires colonial acts.

However even the scent of colonialism is such a taboo that conquerers would rather allow chaos reign that get any returns on blood spent.

 

[Battlegrinder]

pictures - a thing that every one of us - with a very low budget can fake, right?
Not a body, not DNA samples, nothing serious - just the easiest of fakes - pictures?
How gullible you are?

It's actually very hard to fake a picture so well no one can tell it's fake, but that could be done. But then, so could a lot of things. They could have just found a guy that looks close enough, shot him the right spots to cover up the difference, and boom, there's your body. DNA results are pathetically easy to fake, far easier than photographs.

The standard of proof you've set here is impossible to meet.

Also, this bit?

including that all the supposed involved operators died in a very short time,

This never happened. It is fiction. The guy that actually pulled the trigger was last in the news a week ago, for example.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Turkey, Armenia hold ‘constructive’ talks on mending ties this happened.

Ironically this above has happened. As far as I am aware, both countries are dependant on Russia and/or Ukraine for some things.

Turkey apparently is having trouble finding olive oil...because they imported it from...Ukraine!

A person I care told me about this. Her family is olive oil producers and they are basically the only ones selling olive oil in their own town.

This person ... let's say "dating", quote on quote because we are in mutual agreement that we haven't discussed yet if we are a couple, joked a few days ago "Maybe Erdogan will recognize genocide and so you can stop joking about it".

She is Turkish.

 

[Agent23]

The problem is anti-colonialism.

Rebuilding a conquered country as a future ally requires engaging in blatantly colonialist activities. Hell, just restoring order after a conquest requires colonial acts.

However even the scent of colonialism is such a taboo that conquerers would rather allow chaos reign that get any returns on blood spent.

Order that wouldn't have been disrupted in the first place if you did not bomb the place back into the stone age, prohibit everyone with governing experience from being in the government, and putting affirmative action gender studies morons in the driving seat like those absolute brainlets you had running Afghanistan.
Complain about anti-colonialism all you want, the truth of the matter is the West has made a pig's breakfast of all its military involvements of the last 30+ years, and those operations are little more than a way for special interests to scratch an itch or make absurd amounts of money, like Brandon's brother and Halliburton.

Turkey, Armenia hold ‘constructive’ talks on mending ties this happened.

Ironically this above has happened. As far as I am aware, both countries are dependant on Russia and/or Ukraine for some things.

Turkey apparently is having trouble finding olive oil...because they imported it from...Ukraine!

A person I care told me about this. Her family is olive oil producers and they are basically the only ones selling olive oil in their own town.

This person ... let's say "dating", quote on quote because we are in mutual agreement that we haven't discussed yet if we are a couple, joked a few days ago "Maybe Erdogan will recognize genocide and so you can stop joking about it".

She is Turkish.

China and India are doing the same.
Imagine if the world unites and pacifies in the face of western idiocy.

 

[paulobrito]

It's actually very hard to fake a picture so well no one can tell it's fake, but that could be done. But then, so could a lot of things. They could have just found a guy that looks close enough, shot him the right spots to cover up the difference, and boom, there's your body. DNA results are pathetically easy to fake, far easier than photographs.

The standard of proof you've set here is impossible to meet.

Also, this bit?


This never happened. It is fiction. The guy that actually pulled the trigger was last in the news a week ago, for example.

Presenting the body is a standard impossible to meet? Funny. It worked so well with Gadafi and Saddam...
And, please, with today tech is dead easy to fake pictures. Learn a bit about what can be done.
Is not just changing the image pixel by pixel, the metadata can also be changed to the user's needs. The tools are available to anyone that can do a bit of effort searching.

 

[paulobrito]

Order that wouldn't have been disrupted in the first place if you did not bomb the place back into the stone age, prohibit everyone with governing experience from being in the government, and putting affirmative action gender studies morons in the driving seat like those absolute brainlets you had running Afghanistan.
Complain about anti-colonialism all you want, the truth of the matter is the West has made a pig's breakfast of all its military involvements of the last 30+ years, and those operations are little more than a way for special interests to scratch an itch or make absurd amounts of money, like Brandon's brother and Halliburton.

Curious, that in / just after WW2 they are pragmatic enough to co-adopt the members of the evil regimes to make the new gov work. With evident/intelligent filters/limitations, off-course.
Some lessons are forgotten, I see.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Order that wouldn't have been disrupted in the first place if you did not bomb the place back into the stone age, prohibit everyone with governing experience from being in the government, and putting affirmative action gender studies morons in the driving seat like those absolute brainlets you had running Afghanistan.
Complain about anti-colonialism all you want, the truth of the matter is the West has made a pig's breakfast of all its military involvements of the last 30+ years, and those operations are little more than a way for special interests to scratch an itch or make absurd amounts of money, like Brandon's brother and Halliburton.

You're conflating military operations with political ones. The US's operations in Afghanistan were very well done on the military level, it was the political aspect where they stumbled.

The Russians, on the other hand, have been less than competent at military operations and only barely succeed politically, because they go for the easy route of propping up some strongman rather than building a country. We're great at propping up regimes, did it for decades during the cold war.

Presenting the body is a standard impossible to meet? Funny. It worked so well with Gadafi and Saddam...

The US isn't in the business of parading around the bodies of our enemies just to dunk on conspiracy theorists like you.

And, please with today tech is dead easy to fake pictures. Learn a bit about what can be done.

I follow a couple of VFX artists on YouTube, they've consistently pointed to the difficulties of altering and applying effects to existing photos or videos, even professionals get it wrong occasionally. And that's alteration, it's much, much harder to create a passable image from scratch, and nearly impossible to create one that can pass intense scrutiny that Osama's were subjected to (and that's today, vs the much rougher technology of ten years ago).

 

[Agent23]

Curious, that in / just after WW2 they are pragmatic enough to co-adopt the members of the evil regimes to make the new gov work. With evident/intelligent filters/limitations, off-course.
Some lessons are forgotten, I see.

Dunno, feels like that was part of the Turning effect.
The GI/Silent generation were more pragmatic, but the entitled Boomers came along and messed up, now we are in the era of crisis and a new generation of people with practical experience and scars-earned pragmatism will come into existence.
The millennial generation will probably do the right thing, after they exhaust all their other options.
At least that is what Neil Howe thinks.

You're conflating military operations with political ones. The US's operations in Afghanistan were very well done on the military level, it was the political aspect where they stumbled.

1)War is an extension of politics, as such it is a political act.

2) The power disparity between Ukraine and Russia is smaller than that between the USA and all the 3rd world shitholes it went into and turned into bigger shitholes.

3) Russia has a different military doctrine and thus far it has been trying to keep undue civillian deaths to a minimum.
No shock and awe, no on demand bombardments called in from the troops sent out to mop up things.

 

[paulobrito]

The US isn't in the business of parading around the bodies of our enemies just to dunk on conspiracy theorists like you.



I follow a couple of VFX artists on YouTube, they've consistently pointed to the difficulties of altering and applying effects to existing photos or videos, even professionals get it wrong occasionally. And that's alteration, it's much, much harder to create a passable image from scratch, and nearly impossible to create one that can pass intense scrutiny that Osama's were subjected to (and that's today, vs the much rougher technology of ten years ago).

The US is not in that business? Is the first time, because has done that many times...
So, the people you follow lie, or are incompetent. Pick one.

 

[ATP]

No @ATP, what I said is that the unit has been expanded to a Regiment. But, after that, received several - no official numbers - 'volunteers' from Europe and America. After all, neo-nazis exist on both continents. The total number of 'people' that passed/served in the Azov unit is not known. Is 14k too many? probably, but possible.

First - why do you belive KGBstan sources? till now,they alway lied.Why they should tell truth this time ?

Neo-nazi exist - but How many of them is going to die for case? and how many of them are goverment agents/like most german nazis/ ?
If there was 3.000 ukrainians,then they MAYBE get another 1000 from abroad. 4.000 is max.
And killing cyvilians and counting them as rebels is old NKWD trick.It is not suprise,that colonel KGB still use that.

 

[BlackDragon98]

1.Only in current german propaganda they were liberated from bad polish nazis,everybody normal is taking about defeating germany.

So you believe it was right to kill all those German civilians in Hamburg and Dresden via carpet bombing?

2.They are fascist,or nazis? becouse it is not the same.Besides,battalion is battalion,not dyvision.Russians must kill 13.000 cyvilians there and added them to 1000 Azow soldier.Old NKWD trick.They killed ,let say,10.000 "bandits" as they named partisants,among them 500 had rifles.

a square is not a rectangle but both are qualilaterals.

Doesn't really matter if they're fascist or nazi. Neither are anything good.

have you ever seen those clips of Ukrainians marching in the night with torches and nazi symbols? I believe it was a veneration march for Stepan Bandera, a known Nazi collaborator and participant in the Holocaust.

Oh, and the UPA under Bandera killed a lot of Poles back in the day too. Hope you remember that one the next time you think about supporting the Ukrops, who venerate him like a saint!

Azow battalion would die,too.And become real ukrainian heroes.

Not even sunflowers will grow over the corpses of ukrop-fascists/nazis.

P.S why do you support KGBstan there? if they have right to invade and "liberate" Ukraine,they could burn your country,too.

It is literally impossible to invade Canada unless you are USA or have somehow already conquered USA.

You... you do know the Ukrainians have more than 2-5 fighters, right? Like, significantly more? You can look up their numbers on Wikipedia, dude.

For a OSINT guy, you clearly don't know the difference between the amount of equipment in inventory and the amount that actually operational.

And with all those Russian attacks on airfields and related facilities, I doubt they have any more left in operational condition.

Why else would the Ukrops be begging for Polish MiG-29s?

If you are one of these that believe that OBL is killed in Pakistan - at a time that is oh so convenient for the Obama election - and that the US so conveniently never produced a once of evidence - including that all the supposed involved operators died in a very short time, then you are part of the club that I can sell that proverbial bridge in that deserted place...
Some people are so gullible that is not even funny.

For all we know he could still be alive, sitting in a safehouse in Arizona, playing checkers and drinking tea with George HW Bush.

Osama had connections with the CIA from his days in Afghanistan fighting against the Soviets.

CIA asked him to plan 9/11, which would serve as a casus belli for USA to move into the Middle East and begin their destabilization of the region.

 

[paulobrito]

First - why do you belive KGBstan sources? till now,they alway lied.Why they should tell truth this time ?

Neo-nazi exist - but How many of them is going to die for case? and how many of them are goverment agents/like most german nazis/ ?
If there was 3.000 ukrainians,then they MAYBE get another 1000 from abroad. 4.000 is max.
And killing cyvilians and counting them as rebels is old NKWD trick.It is not suprise,that colonel KGB still use that.

I verify all of my sources, thank you very much. In this war, everybody lies a lot.
Maybe is a surprise for you, but die-hard neo-nazis exist.
Killing civilians to get a good photo - is a real overused military tactic used by everyone. Just learn a bit of the military story.
No side is a saint, the only rule/constant is that the winners write the story and always say they are saints, the other side devils.
These days, so few people learn history, which is very sad.

 

[paulobrito]

Ukrainewould lost ability to move,and Su 25 are killing them.GREAT.Then why russian army do not follow? when they plan to advance? next month,or maybe year?

Just curious - @ATP, have you ever served, or ever been in a war? Because, trust me, the military time is very different of the (current) media time. Placing troops (and resources) in place takes time, is not a instant thing, like in computer wargames.
Even the mighty (lol) US army, needs a lot of time to do that.

 

[Megadeath]

Just curious - @ATP, have you ever served, or ever been in a war? Because, trust me, the military time is very different of the (current) media time. Placing troops (and resources) in place takes time, is not a instant thing, like in computer wargames.
Even the mighty (lol) US army, needs a lot of time to do that.

When you're starting from prepared positions of >150,000 it takes weeks to cover a few dozen kilometres? Feels like several wars in modern history have involved smaller forces, from worse initial positions, pacifying and occupying more territory at better speed.