Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Picked up from /pol/ I believe, so it's likely horseshit doomposting. what do you think ?
What do I think? Let's see.

1. Who the fuck puts white text on a red background?

2. Yeah, this is definitely bullshit. Just some keyboard warrior passing off his own little LARP rant as "inside information".

3. It's not even bullshit from a Russian. This is written by a Westerner. Look especially at the third paragraph fro the top in the right-hand column. The one that starts about "the Euromaidan in Donbass". That's just word salad. The Euromaidan was a movement in Kiev, it was directly against Russian interests, and it can't have been a cover for the Crimea thing, which was a hasty response to the Euromaidan. Politically confused Americans talk like this. Russians would never talk about these events like this.
 
It is what it is. Just because you might have done something wrong in the past does not mean you can't point out something similar in the present. When something is wrong. You don't justify it with Whataboutism.
It’s not justifying it. Russia is wrong to start a war in Europe with its neighbor and cause international instability. It’s just that US does not have moral high ground to complain, and whataboutism is a stupid term it’s always valid an argument an argument needs 3 things to be good logic/facts, emotional appeal, and character in other words the reputation of the person matters. If Adolf Hitler said America was evil for invading nations and doing war crimes in Vietnam you can’t take it seriously.
 
For the cost spent? The clay in question isn't worth it.


And these are largely immaterial points.

For domestic political reasons, Russia has to win. There is basically no conceivable situation where Russia can fail to "win" and handle the domestic political fallout.

So the starting point for any potential peace deal has to be "Putin and Russia can credibly spin this as a win worth the cost paid to achieve it".

Ukraine turning into a generation of insurgency hell? An acceptable cost for Russia if it can point to some tangible gains.

The West is left in the unenviable position of not being able to win. To get a win, NATO has to intervene militarily. And that is WW3 with all of the consequences of that fiasco.

It doesn't really matter how much in terms of small arms the west pours into Ukraine, all that does is make the outcome bloodier for Russia. It does nothing to change the underlying fundamentals of the conflict.

Russia won't touch a NATO member, but short of that? The borders will end up wherever Russia wants them. Which means that if the West wants those borders to be somewhere short of the current border between them and Ukraine then they have to give Putin something.


The only things of worth in Ukraine from the Russian point of view are the geographical features that block armies. So yes, the Dnieper is one of the single most important features in the entire nation.

The Dnieper isn't some small stream, it's a wide, deep, fast moving, river with relatively few bridges across it. There are less than twenty of them along the rivers entire length. That part of Ukraine has the Sea to the South, the River to the west, Russia to the East, and Belarus (Russia) to the North. Locking down the borders against effective smuggling is viable and not that expensive or difficult. Can it be perfect? No. Can it be good enough to make keeping a sustained insurgency active and supplied effectively impossible? Yes.

Once those borders are secure, Russia can park basically an entire army on the territory and get to work suppressing/integrating the populace.

It's West of the Dnieper that a Ukrainian insurgency really becomes hell.


Ukraine won't be allowed to join NATO, whatever happens. Even if Russia pulled out, if it was announced then it would be WW3 the next day because Russia would flat out invade Ukraine and dare the US to honor Article 5 under explicit, public, threat of nuking New York and DC.

I really don't think you get how much Ukraine in NATO is a redline for Russia. Not for Putin, not for the government, but for Russia as a collective whole. It is very much a "we will nuke you if you do this" redline.

This war in Ukraine isn't Putin looking for an "out". While the exact severity of the sanctions might be a surprise (and I wouldn't bet on that), no level of sanctions are enough to alter Russian thinking on this invasion.

So what comes next? What does the West do after Russia has grabbed off however much of Ukraine it wants and held "free and fair" elections to vote in a puppet government to legitimize the whole thing. The West recognizes a government in exile perhaps? A government that holds none of its claimed territory is not a government, it's a joke. I guarantee you that China and India won't recognize the exiled government.

Russia still has all of those commodities, it is still a nuclear power, it is still sitting right there on the Eastern edge of Europe, it still has one of the world's most powerful militaries.

It's not just some minor irrelevant nation that can be ignored for years or the like.

And it is also self sufficient in its critical areas. China can be destroyed in a month by stopping oil flows from the ME to China (which anyone with a blue water navy can do with impunity). Its economy can be crippled overnight by the simple expedient of refusing to allow its goods to be exported. Its population can be faced with starvation in relatively short order.

Russia doesn't share any of those weaknesses.

So Russia takes Ukraine, and what happens six months? A year? down the road.

I mean US domestic politics. Biden has staked out a strong position on stopping Russia from seizing Ukraine. Russia has eight months before election day to have achieved a "victory" sufficiently unambiguous that Biden is seen as having failed.

Eight months where US gas prices are through the roof. Eight months where Republicans are running on the claim that the reason that Russia can get away with all of this is the Democrats green agenda (vote Republican and we will bring down gas prices). Eight months where Europe deals with the political upheavals of a resurgent Russian threat.

And then two years after that, you have the Presidential election. Where the Democrats have Ukraine hanging around their neck along with all the other fall out from it.

There is still a very large vein of support in the US for going fairly isolationist. Tapping into that and running on a platform of "The Democrats want to bring back the Cold War and risk nuclear annihilation to protect Europe" could easily happen. Especially if Europe stops standing firm.
Good analysis, but it misses the oil/gas angle that was introduced when those oil fields in the Black Sea and oil shale in Donbass and near the Carpathians were found.

Russia probably wants all of Ukraine so they can control all the new oil/gas fields, as well as add strategic depth to its western defenses.

Russia might settle for a 'East Ukraine' with borders on the Dnieper, however I think they won't settle for anything less than cutting Ukraine off from the Black Sea completely (both to hamper what's left of Ukraine economy by removing internation waterway connections, and claim all of Ukraine's offshore oil deposits) and probably won't allow any rump 'West Ukraine' to go for EU or NATO membership via official, on paper agreements.
 
No, my position is that Russia needs to "win" with "win" being defined as something that Russia can reasonably sell to both its general public and its management caste (the people a few levels below Putin in the government) as a "win" that justifies the costs spent to achieve it.

"We got to keep this territory that was already de facto ours." isn't a "win".

"We took half the country." is a lot easier to call a "win". Especially when paired with "and got the US to publicly repudiate ever making Ukraine a member of NATO or arming it".
But I already disproved the bolded. At least, I provided a refutation that you didn't object to.

And I stand by the position that what the Russian elite will accept as a win will be affected by what the costs of achieving various potential wins are. And I stand by the position that there is a relatively low bar on what it can convince its public is a win: citation, its track record.
 
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Russia's retaliatory sanctions are starting to wreck the EU now. Guess they shouldn't have outsourced manufacturing and confused financialization and fiat money with real currency and economy. Petrodollar is now officially dead as Russia will demand its goods and debts be paid in rubles or hard currency. It will also stop honoring Western IPs.



New Russian Reinforcements and Supplies coming up. Note the bomb types in the trucks: ODAB-500PM. An indication that Odessa landings may be near or a ramp up in escalation to force surrenders.


Ahem, we are not completely innocent of financialization, but the USA we are not, we still have about 30% of the EU's total economy(18% for the USA) in making stuff, and services aren't just banking and restaurants.
Doctors, teachers, police, local admin, various types of maintenance provided for equipment sold, ranging from car mechanics and tow truck drivers to maintenance people for that fancy industrial whatchamacallit you bought from Siemens in your factory.

However, the fact that we make more stuff actually fucks us over even harder, since we both lose a non-insignificant market and will have to pay substantially more for raw materials and energy.

I suppose the silver lining here is that the fucking Krauts will finally hang a few Greens and restart their nuclear power plants.
 
No,germans fucked us when they made Europe abadonn coal and take green energy - which mean kgbstan gas in reality.
We do not need kgbstan,only start using coal again.Well,atomic energy,too.

Back to war - it is obviouis,that russian could win quickly,but choosen not to.No matter what Putin wanted,result would be ukrainian nation hating russian guts for next 100 years.
Well,considering that Putin arleady doomed Russia by turning it into second Venezuella and future chineese colony,i am not suprised.He do not care what happen after his death,as long as he remain leader.

Of course,they would win miitary now - but after months of hard fighting.
Dude, they already won.

The neocucks pushed us into conflict with Russia, and the Kraut greens and Merkel closed down their nuclear capacity.

We could have found some form of compromise with the Russians, or we should have taken Ukraine outright, with a ton of strings attached forcing them to purge their oligarchs and neo-nazis.

Instead we left the situation fester and left NATO and the neocucks pour oil into the fire.

This will fuck all of us!
 
Dude, they already won.

The neocucks pushed us into conflict with Russia, and the Kraut greens and Merkel closed down their nuclear capacity.

We could have found some form of compromise with the Russians, or we should have taken Ukraine outright, with a ton of strings attached forcing them to purge their oligarchs and neo-nazis.

Instead we left the situation fester and left NATO and the neocucks pour oil into the fire.

This will fuck all of us!

They could take Kiev in 3 days - but choosed not to.It means,that war would be long and bloody,becouse KGB need it that way.
Compromise with russians ? why? they could do nothing,becouse KGB mafia rule over them.And you could not compromise with mafia,only struck short-term deal.Like Biden handlers with Putin now.

For your information,becouse you clearly do not see that - KGBstan is invading Ukraine,not NATO.You could blame Biden handlers for making deal with Putin,but Putin army is invading others,not Biden.
 
They could take Kiev in 3 days - but choosed not to.It means,that war would be long and bloody,becouse KGB need it that way.
Compromise with russians ? why? they could do nothing,becouse KGB mafia rule over them.And you could not compromise with mafia,only struck short-term deal.Like Biden handlers with Putin now.

For your information,becouse you clearly do not see that - KGBstan is invading Ukraine,not NATO.You could blame Biden handlers for making deal with Putin,but Putin army is invading others,not Biden.
Exact opposite if Russia took Kiev in 3 days short of it surrendering that would involve them leveling it.
 
Don't remind me, working with Krauts in managerial positions and Kraut beancounters should be considered psychological trauma and give more retirement points/extra mental hazard pay.
Beats working with Californians or New Yorkers, at least you don’t have struggle sessions about some issue du jour.
 
Picked up from /pol/ I believe, so it's likely horseshit doomposting. what do you think ?
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I severely doubt the authenticity of this. As much as I'd like all of that to be true, I just really doubt that any of it is the case, not to mention if this was actually some Russian intelligence type, they'd be literally risking their life by posting this shit online, and for what?
 
Beats working with Californians or New Yorkers, at least you don’t have struggle sessions about some issue du jour.
I have dealt with, like one Commiefornian transplanted to NY, he was a decent guy.
My biggest problems have come from local talent, inflexible, idiotic Krauts that think "work" is obstructing people and UK managerial secretaries that thought they were actually relevant, and important and adding so much value.
And don't get me started on how lazy and determined to transfer their work onto you Spaniards are.

Italians, Russians and Ukrainians were probably the most easygoing of the EU bunch.

First I ever heard the Russians had that village in the first place as it was never marked Russian held, but ok, so what?

The Russians seized Izium and Donbas Front is collapsing.

Great, now they are inventing false enemy victories so that they can report themselves driving said enemy out.

This is late Goebbels level stupid.

Then again, Zelenski and his backers are basically clowns, actors and thugs, so one can't expect much.
 
Hey, I appreciate your viewpoint and the information you bring, but could you cut back on the jabs to other members? It really undermines your credibility. If you were responding to him, fine, but you're going too far.

Anyway, I think this will come down to how quickly Russia can seize Ukraine. The West looks united now, but after Ukraine is dead and buried, with growing economic problems at home--I don't really trust the West to hold together. Particularly if the US decides to impose export bans, which will most certainly happen during the midterms. And I can't imagine the EU holding to sanctions if the US won't share in the pain. It took a month of constant shaming and arm-twisting to get the Germans to actually side with their NATO allies.

If Zachowon would stop drinking his Kool-Aide, I and even the site owner would gladly lay off the jabs, but given he is in a position that can get people killed, he needs to be jabbed all the more because he dangerously keeps drinking his own Kool-Aide.
Chuhuiv not Chuhiv, and it was one of the first cities captured by Russian forces.



Actually they pretty much flattened Izium.



So great job there for the Russian's, mind you, while they were destroying that civilian held city the Ukrainian's were busy destroying what was likely over billion dollars worth of Russian military equipment in their attack on Kherson International Airport.


And now the Donbas Front is in the process of disintegrating. Even if I grant you the Kherson strike story which the Ukrainians offer no concrete proof, it still doesn't change the math.



A blast from the past... Good Job Joe...



Maduro and Khameni are laughing their asses off.



And game over for the Petrodollar. If you haven't already, go stock up.
 
If Zachowon would stop drinking his Kool-Aide, I and even the site owner would gladly lay off the jabs, but given he is in a position that can get people killed, he needs to be jabbed all the more because he dangerously keeps drinking his own Kool-Aide.


And now the Donbas Front is in the process of disintegrating. Even if I grant you the Kherson strike story which the Ukrainians offer no concrete proof, it still doesn't change the math.



A blast from the past... Good Job Joe...



Maduro and Khameni are laughing their asses off.



And game over for the Petrodollar. If you haven't already, go stock up.

I find it terrifying to believe Joe Biden was at one point coherent.

also good thing I bought wheat futures first thing in the morning
@Agent23 also thanks for the idea on the fertilizer I did some digging and found a good firm to buy into when the bell rang this morning.
 
I find it terrifying to believe Joe Biden was at one point coherent.

also good thing I bought wheat futures first thing in the morning
@Agent23 also thanks for the idea on the fertilizer I did some digging and found a good firm to buy into when the bell rang this morning.
I was actually thinking that this would be a good investment back during the first days of the pandemic.
Food and energy are necessary for human activity, and with the likes of Gates buying up all the farmland and driving prices up fertilizer sounded like the next best thing.

I did some digging and what I bought looked like something with a good moat, the board of directors was stable, with long tenure and at least two of them being de facto lifers, and at an at the time P/E ratio of 11 it was a juicy investment.
Modern farming is pretty much addicted to fertilizers, and IMHO dips will be bought in short order.

I actually managed to get in ahead of Maverick, and it is a company he hasn't ever mentioned, maybe because it is European.

Energy will spike, then fertilizer prices will spike, then food will spike.

People might have to cancel their netflix subscriptions and forego an iPhone, but they will never stop eating.

I am thinking of PM and Altria next, PM has lots of exposure to Russia so the price must have dipped, but whatever we do and say, smokers are damned drug addicts, and they will scrape by some cash to buy a pack.
 
I was actually thinking that this would be a good investment back during the first days of the pandemic.
Food and energy are necessary for human activity, and with the likes of Gates buying up all the farmland and driving prices up fertilizer sounded like the next best thing.

I did some digging and what I bought looked like something with a good moat, the board of directors was stable, with long tenure and at least two of them being de facto lifers, and at an at the time P/E ratio of 11 it was a juicy investment.
Modern farming is pretty much addicted to fertilizers, and IMHO dips will be bought in short order.

I actually managed to get in ahead of Maverick, and it is a company he hasn't ever mentioned, maybe because it is European.
Fair, I was focusing during the pandemic on picking up oil and nuclear firms dirt cheap since I knew green energy would shit the bed.
 
Fair, I was focusing during the pandemic on picking up oil and nuclear firms dirt cheap since I knew green energy would shit the bed.
Edited my post, btw, I am thinking of PM, next.
If anything, all the new electirc cigarette doodads have made smoking hip among the youth, and PM pioneered it, their iqos is allegedly safer and more addictive at the same time, since the taste and aroma is smoother.
I am still pissed off I didn't scoop up some at 50, they doubled shortly after.
Although I am still in what I consider my training phase of speculation and investing.
 

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